Rosario to Vampire Chapter 22 Discussion

[weview]

Raw

http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/45043

Translation

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=349756#post349756

Scanlation

Pending

You can use this thread for discussion of chapter 22. This looks like the last chapter in the Sun arc.

[LordRichardWellington]

Well, I'm hoping that Tsukune's punch, in true vampireish fashion, knocked 'kami' into the 22nd Century.

I'm expecting something big to happen.

[Yasu]

I am expecting that Tsukune is going to finally be able to finish his fight with the evil Siren from the Fairy Tail organization.

[weview]

i'm disliking the emphasis on Tsukune being able to fight for himself. part of the humour romance thing was that he was completely pathetic and the girls had to save him.

[T-6000]

I myself like the fact that Tsukune is able to fight for himself, as it is showing him evolve and develop as a character. If he was a mere weakling who had to have the girls save him all the time, the series would get boring and monotomous pretty fast. Yes, it was amusing the first few times but it would have become boring to see him needing others to save him all the time, not to mention way to predictable.

I myself am thinking that Tsukune will win the fight in the upcoming chapter, but he'll be paying for it in the next chapter or two. I feat fairy tale will be sending assassins after him, but like how Anti-Thesis sent assassins after Tsukune and the others.

[Kaiser Nicolai]

Ok if the mangaka was more experienced, I would expect the fight be stopped by some 3rd party (probably moka's father or someone close in power level), but I am losing faith, what I expect is the "cheap" way out, Tsukune is going to try to successfully punch the siren but that wont knock it out, the siren will use his secondary ability/power up/hidden technique to beat everybody again, since Sun is near comatose, Tsukune will release Moka's seal, Moka and him will fight and defeat the siren, Sun will be saved, etc.

[weview]

I'm interested to read more into Gin's history with Sun. Obviously he cares alot about her to go to Fairy Tale headquarters like that.

Not long until August. Anticipation...

[Kaiser Nicolai]

I'm interested to read more into Gin's history with Sun. Obviously he cares alot about her to go to Fairy Tale headquarters like that.

Not long until August. Anticipation...This is sort of understandable, given how Sun sticked out for him, what I dont get is loli karate captain sticking out for Sun, I mena Sun isnt loli at all, also I found it bad that Sun cannot speak, I mean if the other Siren can why cant she ????

[weview]

...also I found it bad that Sun cannot speak, I mean if the other Siren can why cant she ????

Maybe she is mute, but can still use her singing abilities

[Znail]

Hmm, didnt Sun accidentaly speak once? I think she cant speak understandably, thats the problem. It may even be as simple as she doesnt want to accidentaly affect people with her voice and dont speak because of that and as she havent practiced so have she never spoken any human language.

[weview]

She could be ashamed of it, as her powers are intended to harm humans.

[Thousandsunnny]

:Hi:I Agree. I think sun dose not wish to hurt humans with her powers so she never talks.

[weview]

does anyone know when the scans are gonna be released? when does JumpSquare release the next one?

[MidnightTide]

likely RAW will be out next week....

[bakaneko]

hope give more fan service between moka(inner) and tsukune

[T-6000]

The Raw was released last night:

http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/45043

Though I'll have to wait for a scanlation to give my thoughts, it looks like this chapter ended a bit too sudden. And towards the end of the chapter, why were Kurumu and Mikzore threatening Tsukune? Hell, Kurumu was strangling him.

[Znail]

Well, he did sneak away to have a romantic moment with Moka. I guess they were upset over not knowing where he were, even if they would have been even more upset if they knew what he had done and want to strangle Moka as well. :)

[weview]

We need this translated. I hope Lingwe's got it under way :)

[GrrDraxin]

Hmm, being that Sun isn't mute and is perfectly capable of speech, perhaps the mute part was used to illustrate a personality querk. That she'd either be ashamed of her voice (maybe it doesn't sound right), or she's unable to mask her true nature of her voice and would be too easily identified as a siren when she did speak.

Though I'll have to wait for a scanlation to give my thoughts, it looks like this chapter ended a bit too sudden. And towards the end of the chapter, why were Kurumu and Mikzore threatening Tsukune? Hell, Kurumu was strangling him.Well, what did you expect? Fairy Tail's local base was trashed so Kami wasn't going to have any reinforcments after all that. So things were sure to wrap up quickly since Kami went to get Sun while Gin and Karate dude took out his base of operation right out from under his nose.

Well, he did sneak away to have a romantic moment with Moka. I guess they were upset over not knowing where he was, even if they would have been even more upset if they knew what he had done and want to strangle Moka as well. :)

Every chance he gets to be with Moka is a reason for the other girls to get jealous and beat someone into submission for it. It seems that Tsukune drew the short stick this time. Either that or he said something stupid that betrayed, in some minor romantic fashion, Mizore and Kurumu's feelings.

Did anyone notice that in the last chapter that Kami noted that his branch of Fairy Tail smelled like "fish", and that all the creatures that were fought, other than Kami himself, were some sort of fish or other water based monster?

I do wonder if all those beasts were killed or were just simply beat up. It doesn't make sense to leave them alive if you're trying to take out a hostile organization, does it?

[Lingwe]

Sorry for the wait:

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=349756#post349756

[Znail]

Sorry for the wait:

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=349756#post349756

Thanx, that answers most of the questions! Well, we have plenty of time to talk more about this chapter as its 2 months until the next one. Atleast it was a long one this time and alot happened so it should last a week or two :)

[T-6000]

Well, what did you expect? Fairy Tail's local base was trashed so Kami wasn't going to have any reinforcments after all that. So things were sure to wrap up quickly since Kami went to get Sun while Gin and Karate dude took out his base of operation right out from under his nose.other than Kami himself, were some sort of fish or other water based monster?

And it's starting to make the story too predictable. I mean, sure Tsukune and the group looked as if they were about ready to push up daisies in this story arc, and if it wasn't for Sun then they could have been in real trouble. But for Gin and the Karate master to just wade into a building full of fairy tale members and beat them all up, I'm sorry but that seems to be a bit of effortless storytelling. Why didn't Fairy Tale have better security? Why didn't they have any weapons or smallarms to use against the both of them? Why didn't fairy tale use their weaknesses against them? If some of them had small arms packed with silver bullets, then Gin would have been in trouble. For a widespread and 'dangerous' organization that wants to wage war against the Humans, they sure are getting their asses handed to them by other Yokai. Surely they would have had better precautions in case they came against opposition from other Yokai. And I'll be surprised if Fairy Tale doesn't infiltrate the school to get back at the Newspaper club.

Sorry for the wait:

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=349756#post349756

Hey, no problem with the waiting. In fact, since you've had your hands full lately, I'm surprised that you've gotten it translated this soon.

[TigersDemon]

so the trans is done now? sweet! thx lingwe!

... and now the cleaning...

[MidnightTide]

well, this local chapter of Fairy Tale was a joke....

they got their asses handed to em by the second string of characters....

[TigersDemon]

lol, and that in and of itself is proof of its fail :D

[GrrDraxin]

And it's starting to make the story too predictable. I mean, sure Tsukune and the group looked as if they were about ready to push up daisies in this story arc, and if it wasn't for Sun then they could have been in real trouble. But for Gin and the Karate master to just wade into a building full of fairy tale members and beat them all up, I'm sorry but that seems to be a bit of effortless storytelling. Why didn't Fairy Tale have better security? Why didn't they have any weapons or smallarms to use against the both of them? Why didn't fairy tale use their weaknesses against them? If some of them had small arms packed with silver bullets, then Gin would have been in trouble. For a widespread and 'dangerous' organization that wants to wage war against the Humans, they sure are getting their asses handed to them by other Yokai. Surely they would have had better precautions in case they came against opposition from other Yokai. And I'll be surprised if Fairy Tale doesn't infiltrate the school to get back at the Newspaper club.

The thing about Youkai it seems that they shun weapons as a "human" thing, something they probably try and stay away from. The fact that they call guns and whatnot "toys" is proof of this line of thinking. They feel they are too superior to believe small arms are even a threat, whether this is true or not is debatable.

Though you know just as we all do that after a conflict reaches it's climax the story will rather quickly wind down to it's peaceful levels. It seems this is the pattern this series and most other series fall into. Though the fact that this ended up taking place while the group was "supposed" to be taking a bit of R&R, I find it a bit perturbing. Is the time they're in class the only time they can relax from these kinds of conflicts? Seems so to me.



well, this local chapter of Fairy Tale was a joke... they got their asses handed to em by the second string of characters....

lol, and that in and of itself is proof of its fail :D

True, and this failure may also be attributed to the fact that they seem to group certain kinds of youkai together, in this case water based youkai. It could also be possible that sirens, or at least "Kami" have some of that too, the stories of sailors and stuff kinda illustrated that for us as well as Sun and Kami being in a coastal city.

As for the ease of which the branch of Fairy Tail was wiped out by Gin and that lolicon karate dude probably lies in the fact that they did NOT show off what their true formed were thus preventing tipping off the agents to enable them to set up appropriate defenses against them.

Even we the readers still don't know what kind of youkai karate dude is, you think that he'd reveal that to his enemies? Hell no! Plus, they (Fairy Tail) probably weren't expecting to be assaulted by youkai like that in the first place, and especially not ones from Youkai Academy. So one could guess that creature incompatibility was to blame for that.

And even though Gin is not much compared to Moka, Tsukune and even Sun, he is still one of the elite youkai, so he still had a good chance of winning, but that Karate guy just gave him better odds of doing so. And he's no slouch himself... whatever he is.

But I'm sure that after this, Fairy Tail is definitely going to beef up it's defenses and try and retaliate against the school if not just the newspaper club.

Even though most of the setbacks that Fairy Tail has had were indeed the newspaper clubs fault directly, they just might decide to just blame the entire school or just the headmaster thinking that he "sent" them to interfere....

Though they'd only be half right on this later incident, where as the one in the Snow Village he was not responsible for, but was Tsukune and company's doing entirely.

EDIT: And before I forget, why not all you go to Lingwe's translation thread (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=349756#post349756) and give him some thanks for this chapter. I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

[weview]

The thing about Youkai it seems that they shun weapons as a "human" thing, something they probably try and stay away from. The fact that they call guns and whatnot "toys" is proof of this line of thinking. They feel they are too superior to believe small arms are even a threat, whether this is true or not is debatable.

During the School Festival in the first arc however, a group of Ayashi brought in firearms. Even if Fairy Tale considered guns beneath them, surely they would have a better form of defense ready. Or even older weapons that they might not find inferior.

[GrrDraxin]

The festival goer that had the firearm was one of those who thinks of them as toys, but knows not to underestimate them either. The only other weapons we've seen are the snowball granade launchers that Tsurara has in the snow village.

Older weapons? Don't you mean "Powerful" weapons, like anti-tank riffles, RPGs, and bazookas? (Tactical nukes too if they could get a hold of some) These are the verity of weapons that I think most yokai would fear most, mostly because no matter how tough their skin, one of these can go through their armor and probably kill them with little effort.

[T-6000]

There was only one Yokai, so far, who regarded guns as Children's toys, but other Yokai have yet to give their thoughts on using small arms. There could be some that wouldn't hesitate to use them if they believe that it would give them a distinct advantage. And I've always considered the yokai (I forgot his name at the moment) who thought of guns as children's toys to be an idiot. If they were only toys then why is it that the Yokai race have chosen to blend in with humans rather than fight the humans for a place on the world or even acknowledge their existance (Fairy Tale is an exception, though it's more of a covert operation)? I think the Yokai are really afraid of human technology, including small arms. After all, the girls were dead in their tracks with a mere Colt .45 handgun. And I even noticed that Mizore nervously grabbed the gun and tossed it aside. With the advancment of small arms I would have thought that Fairy Tale would have had at least some small arms or guns. Or hell, maybe even secretly research in developing more advance weapons and technology to bring down Human Society.

But weapons and guns aside, I'd be surprised if Fairy Tale didn't get a detailed profile on each of the Newspaper club members, and maybe learn of potential weaknesses and even use those weaknesses against them. Especially Moka. Inner Moka isn't really as strong as she thinks she is, and I am hoping that sometime in the future a smart enough of a villian will show her this. Sure, she is very strong and fast, but she has so many weaknesses that could cripple her, such as water and silver. There was only one villian that use water against Inner Moka and he almost defeated her but Tsukune saved her. And, as usual, she shows no gratitude to Tsukune. Or maybe they could blackmail the group to back off, and thus force the group into making a hard decision. Maybe they would learn of Tsukune's human side and use it to blackmail him if he and the others didn't back off. Or maybe even kidnap one of the members and threaten their life if the also didn't back away from their plan.

All in all, in the future I am expecting Fairy Tale to use their head next time and come up with a good plan to defeat the Newspaper Club. If they try to use blunt force against the Newspaper club again, then they really are a dumb organization.

[GrrDraxin]

I'm willing to bet that they ARE that stupid of an organization, and we all know that even if they do pull something clever, it will backfire on them in some way to give Tsukune and company a chance to turn the tables on them. Now if they were smart, they'd just start kidnapping the group one by one starting with Moka and Tsukune and then go down the line making sure to take them to different facilities to separate them further. If they assessed their individual threat levels first and then planned based on that, then they'd have a chance of defeating Tsukune and company, but we all know that Fairy Tail won't do that, and will continue underestimating them.

[T-6000]

I'm willing to bet that they ARE that stupid of an organization, and we all know that even if they do pull something clever, it will backfire on them in some way to give Tsukune and company a chance to turn the tables on them. Now if they were smart, they'd just start kidnapping the group one by one starting with Moka and Tsukune and then go down the line making sure to take them to different facilities to separate them further. If they assessed their individual threat levels first and then planned based on that, then they'd have a chance of defeating Tsukune and company, but we all know that Fairy Tail won't do that, and will continue underestimating them.

Now let's not jinx the situation, where they actually resort to doing that in later chapters. Yeah, I'm as superstitious as an old woman. :D

[GrrDraxin]

Well, take comfort in that now they've made an enemy of Fairy Tail, and will most likely have many conflicts with them for quite some time. You wanted more action, and now it looks like there will be more because of this incident.

[MidnightTide]

I don't think they are going to go heavily into firearms - kind of hard to have romantic situations when your avoiding heavy arms fire.

[Znail]

I think that using firearms goes against the principles of anyone that distains humans and wants to exterminate them. Its also far easier to walk around without getting questioned by the police if you arent lugging around some heavy weapons. Remember that while Fairy Tale's main opposition is the School so arent they the ones they actualy want to fight as that is the humans. That is why we dont see any serious attack on Tsukune and co, as FT would much rather just step around them and avoid them if they can.

[weview]

Older weapons? Don't you mean "Powerful" weapons, like anti-tank riffles, RPGs, and bazookas?

I meant swords, hammers, axes. The sort of weapons around originally during the time that these monsters first appeared in literature. Rosario Vampire does however skip on some of the older legends, such as monsters being afraid of fire etc
The sort of old style weaponry that can utilise the power of a Youkai.

[patrick5087]

I'm waiting for the "Astyanax" reference personally.

[T-6000]

Good chapter overall, but what gets me is how the fight ended, just like that. I mean, the group were struggling to defeat that damn siren, and Sun was able to defeat him easily. It looked as if she was actually holding back until the last few moments of the fight, then she gave it everything she had and easily defeated the enemy. It kinda annoys me when characters in stories do that during a fight, they hold back and get the tar beaten out of them and then they act 'serious' and then easily defeat the enemy. Kinda like in the last episode of Justice League unlimited when Superman was getting the snot beaten out of him by Darkseid, only towards the end of the episode did he 'act serious' and punched him halfway across Metropolis. I literally facepalmed in exasperation and yelled out "Why didn't you do that from the beginning and instead messed around, putting earth in more danger?!" And here I thought Superman from "The Dark Knight Returns" was a Grade A Idiot. Ahem, I'm getting off topic aren't I? What also confused me was to why Gin didn't tell the others where he was and what he was doing. To me, Gin's fight with the Fairy Tale branch seemed out of place for this arc and could have done without it (and it didn't feel as if it really served any actual purpose other than to see Gin in action once again and to cram in more action), but why is he keeping it a secret? I mean, if it's to worry them then why bother? The girls think less of him anyways.

I was surprised to hear that Kokoa was 15 years old, I always thought she was 14 or even 13. She seems kinda flatchested, at least in the Manga. When she gets 17 or 18 she'd better have nice large squeezable breats!

:scared: :nani:

OH NO, I MADE *ANOTHER* PERVERTED COMMENT!

(Runs off and hides)

[GrrDraxin]

Hahahaha, pervy comments are welcome you know.

But you know how these story writers get, it wouldn't be interesting if the enemy was easily defeated at the beginning of the fight. Besides, would you have felt the same if it turned out like a typical inner Moka fight, one hit and they're down? We get enough of that with Moka, there is no need to have other characters doing it too.

Also, Sun needed to set the stage first by covertly damaging the opponent little by little before stepping up to finish the job. Which makes perfect sense, as it gave Tsukune the opportunity to solidify his own mental resolve. Which was the whole purpose of this trip in the first place. Plus he gained a new ally and friend, and the opportunity to deal a heavy blow to Fairy Tail just happened to present itself. Though Tsukune had nothing to do with that part of it.

That of course allows the story to shift back into peaceful mode to prepare for the next conflict sure to come their way. And frankly, I wouldn't want it any other way.

It'd be too boring going to either extreme, too peaceful may mean more character development in romance, but weak overall, then it might as well be a shoujo manga. Too war-like and lots of combat, we start having something that's repetitively gory, tragic and down-right sadistic, and that the only "good" ending is a dead ending where nobody lives, and if they do, they're all miserable beyond any hope of recovery.

Not very good story telling in my opinion, and anyone that thinks that's the way things should end really need to overdose on Prozac for the remainder of their miserable life.

Ok, I'm done ranting now. Dinner is served.

[T-6000]

Hopefully he'll still have the newfound resolve during the rough times ahead. I like the kid, but I think he has too much of that 'oh, I'm not so sure' attitude sometimes. In fact, I kinda wish it was Tsukune that would have won this battle, as it would have given him a huge boost in confidence (I can tell he still kinda lacks self confidence) and give him a chance to not only win a battle by himself but protect the girls himself for once. I'll be surprised if in the next few chapters Fairy Tale doesn't send assassins after Tsukune and the group. And the ending you mentioned, GrrDraxin, yeah it would be a terrible ending and would ruin the whole story. I'd much prefer if they won their battles and everyone was still alive. But I think it would make a good dramatic moment if one of the characters were killed, to help bring thr group closer together and to stop fighting each other over Tsukune (and other silly things). Maybe even help them all stay together after they graduate (I have this feeling that they are going to drift apart once they graduate), assuming the story will take place after since many high school stories end shortly after graduation.

Sun's story was pretty sad, to hear that her parents left her to the Academy's orphanage (I was surprised to hear that the acadeny had one). It seemed like she thought it was her powerful vocal abilities that lead to her parents to leave her, and used written signs for communication instead. It was especially sad to see a flashback of Sun's child self writing "I want to see them." I really hope that she gets to meet her parents sometime before the manga ends and see why they left her, but I have a feeling that we have a better chance of seeing the president wear high heel shoes before that happens.

Oh, and I hope that if the story does have an arc that takes place after they graduate, we see a more mature Kokoa dress up in a cheerleader outfit once again, and maybe do a few cheers for me. On a trampoline.

:cheer2:

Kokoa is going to kill me if she hears this.

[weview]

If she's 15, can the Karate Captain still be called a lollicon. I suppose so seeing as he's attracted to the appearance of little kids.

I'm disliking how the artwork is getting. I preferred it when it was less detailed and more cartoony. Found it funny with Moka's big eyes when asking for his blood.

So one branch of Fairy Tale was taken out? The rest of the arc I guess will focus on the other branches and eventually the leading division being taken out.

[GrrDraxin]

If she's 15, can the Karate Captain still be called a lollicon. I suppose so seeing as he's attracted to the appearance of little kids.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8087/lolqll.jpg

^ Spoken like a true lolicon.

So one branch of Fairy Tale was taken out? The rest of the arc I guess will focus on the other branches and eventually the leading division being taken out.No, more than likely that would take several arcs to complete. And there could be other threats as well to contend with.

[weview]

I don't know. They got through Anti-thesis and Public Safety Commission pretty quickly. I guess Fairy Tale is a branch of adult Ayashi as oppose to other students or Youkai their age.

[asdf1248]

I was surprised to hear that Kokoa was 15 years old, I always thought she was 14 or even 13.
She is in high school, and high school in Japan is from our grades 10 through 12.

[T-6000]

Well, I always thought that the Academy made an exception with Kokoa, like they did with Yukari. Especially since she's not wearing the same school uniform the rest of the Academy are wearing. I always wondered why her uniform was different.

[weview]

I don't think she became a student there for the education. It was mainly to be reunited with Inner Moka. She generally wouldn't want to wear uniform as she is a proud vampire unwilling to bend to the rules.

[Yasu]

I don't know. They got through Anti-thesis and Public Safety Commission pretty quickly. I guess Fairy Tale is a branch of adult Ayashi as oppose to other students or Youkai their age.

Fairy Tail is different from the other organizations that took place in this manga series so far. The whole anti-thesis arc, was something that was well made and could have future ties to the currently known organization, Fairy Tail. We have already seen one of the old members from Anti-Thesis, being involved in the running of Fairy Tail.

Perhaps, Fairy Tail recruited the top 2 members of Anti-Thesis into their organization, after witnessing the events that happened at Youkai Academy. After all, the Top 2 members of Anti-Thesis were able to dismantle the barrier that surrounded the Youkai Academy school, without encountering too much difficulty from the other more exceptional fighting students. So I wouldn't find it all that hard to believe that the Top 2 members of Anti-Thesis were recruited to become members of Fairy Tail.

Well, I always thought that the Academy made an exception with Kokoa, like they did with Yukari. Especially since she's not wearing the same school uniform the rest of the Academy are wearing. I always wondered why her uniform was different.

I just thought that the reason for why some of the characters are allowed to wear non-school related uniforms is because of the fact that they are main characters in this series. Or the rule regarding the dressing up into uniforms is something that isn't mandatory to do. Perhaps the rule regarding the dressing up into standard school uniform is something that is optional amongst the students, seeing as the dressing up into school uniforms could be another way for the youkai to become more humanized in a sense.

I don't think she became a student there for the education. It was mainly to be reunited with Inner Moka. She generally wouldn't want to wear uniform as she is a proud vampire unwilling to bend to the rules.

This is most definitely true.

Kokoa has already made it clear that she isn't attending Youkai Academy for the education alone. Rather the main reason as to why she even decided to attend Youkai Academy was because her older sister, Inner Moka, is currently attending the school. Kokoa could have cared less for what everyone else thought about her and school life. As long as Inner Moka is willing to accept her as a loving sister and spare with her every so often, then I believe that Kokoa is going to be happy during her stay at Youkai Academy.

[weview]

I didn't really like the addition of Kokoa. Just another obstacle for Tsukune and Moka's love. Not good...

[TigersDemon]

i agree. though she does have interesting posibilities in the other plot sections, eh?

[T-6000]

Welll we haven't seen her get much in Tsukune's way. In fact, the only time she interefered was when she tried to get Kurumu closer to him. But other than that, she's left him alone for the most part. In fact, we barely see her even put her eyes on Tsukune. She seemed friendly to him when they first met (unlike the Anime), does she have contempt for him?

[TigersDemon]

i dont think she really care about him one way or the other... but we dont really know all that much about her, do we?

[Znail]

I think its pretty simple. Kokoa doesnt care one bit about Other Moka so she doesnt care if Tsukune gets friendly there. But she would be upset if he got closer to Inner Moka and is envious of his training sessions. I dont think she is nearly as oposed to Tsukune getting close to Moka as the other girls are.

[Yasu]

Moka is Moka, whether it is Outer Moka or Inner Moka.

Kokoa was forced to accept this fact after her appearance with Inner Moka again, during the beginning of Season 2.

I agree with, Znail and any other users, that believe Kokoa doesn't really care about how close Tsukune gets to Outer Moka in comparison to the other girls fighting for Tsukune's attention.

As long as Inner Moka doesn't admit that she truly wants Tsukune more than Kokoa, then Kokoa can accept the relationship that Tsukune and Outer Moka have going for themselves.

[weview]

I can still imagine that she'll act out at some point in the future. Tsukune will get in her way somehow.

[TigersDemon]

deffinatly :D i look forward to the day :D