Rosario to Vampire Ch 21 Discussion

[Lingwe]

Raw

http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/38724

Translation

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=333225#post333225

Scanlation

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9801

You can use this thread to discuss the action packed chapter 21 of the manga.

[Znail]

I think its the first time we got to see Outer Moka fight :)

Oh, and Tsukune did ok :catman:

[Deatheagle]

Its funny that Tsukune still believes to be human (referring to Page 31). But than he's using all the Vampireabilitis Moka-Chan told him in combat. I think this guy should already realise, that he's far away from human being...

[TigersDemon]

that would be nice, but we already know he's not the brightest crayon in the box.

[Alodar]

I think its the first time we got to see Outer Moka fight :)

Oh, and Tsukune did ok :catman:

Nope...she fought alongside Kurumu in the first season when the dude with the weird eyes convinced Kurumu to bring her out there to betray her, but then they ended up fighting the two ogre things together. She wasn't in her released state then.

[Lingwe]

The translation is out. I liked this chapter a lot. It's been a while since they've had a real good fight against some proper enemy. And damn, Tsukune has some flexible legs.

[weview]

I'm new so i get confused about the translating process. Theres the Raw scan that comes out, the translation. Then it needs cleaning?

How long does each process take?

Sorry. I get kind of antsy about release dates :confused:

[Lingwe]

The Raw comes out the day the magazine comes out. Then the translation will come out a day or two after that. Then cleaning should usually take two or three days after that depending upon how many people volunteer to clean it.

[weview]

So somebody is probably cleaning it now?

[T-6000]

Its funny that Tsukune still believes to be human (referring to Page 31). But than he's using all the Vampireabilitis Moka-Chan told him in combat. I think this guy should already realise, that he's far away from human being...

Well, I think he's not quite there yet. He's still stuck between Human and Supernatural Monster. He can call upon his Yokai abilities but it seems like he can't use his supernatural abilities for too long. But it looks like that may change in the not too distant future.

It seems like Gin was a bit of a trouble making youth back at the Academy and got into alot of fights, he was even such a jerk to Sun. He still is kind of an add currently but it seemed like he was much worse. The only thing I was dissatisfied with was the appearance of the Lolicon Sensei (sorry about the crude title, I don't remember his name right now) several chapters back. I hope there's a good reason for him to be there since it seems out of place (and a bit too random) for him to suddenly appear. All in all, this seems like an interesting chapter but I just hope the current story arc doesn't abruptly end with no real sense of accomplishment. The manga author has had a nasty habbit of doing that too much, IMHO.

[weview]

He still considers himself human despite having his abilities

[Lingwe]

Scan is up - http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9801

[T-6000]

Scan is up - http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9801

Damn, that was fast! And let me start off by saying that Kamiya "God" Kaneda is one sick POS for wanting to see how many Humans he can kill in a large city to see how high he can get the pile of bodies! Tsukune sure lost his temper, as I have rarely ever seen him flip out like that. In fact, I can't remember the last time Tsukune said "Don't screw with me." Then again I would be the same thing if I heard Kamiya's low regard of Human life. And it was good to at least see Marin still have a close attachment to Sun, despite her being an Ayashi. Marin realized that even though Sun may be a Siren, deep inside she's still that sweet girl. I just hope that Sun still decides to stay with her instead of being forced to leave (I am a bit unclear still as to if Sun will have to leave her since she knows about her Ayashi nature). And I wonder what Marin will have to say about the others now that she knows about their Ayashi nature.

I was also a but surprised to see that Gin was even more of a jerk years ago before Tsukune 'accidently' enrolled (though I still think that he wasn't accidently enrolled and that it was fixed to look like he was accidently enrolled) in the Academy. He still is kind of one, but at least he isn't as bad as he use to be. It's nice to see that he at least wants to help out Sun, but he's still a womanizing pervert to me.

All in all a pretty good chapter, though it could have done without the appearance of the Karate Club Captian. It seems like he was thrown in merely as comedy relief. Oh, and something I was wondering, when Tsukune was hearing Inner Moka towards the end of the chapter, was it just a flashback he was remembering orf was she really communicating to him from the Rosary?

[LordRichardWellington]

I think he was remembering because at one point he said something along the lines of 'I remember Moka-san's way of fighting' or something like that.

[MidnightTide]

So that was a branch of Fairy Tale? (cause if that was the main office, Tsakune and crew don't have much to worry about)

[weview]

I'm guessing Fairytale is a worldwide thing. Although it must be pretty poorly run if its eventually going to be overthrown by schoolkids. Thats true of any evil corporation in anything though. If Scooby Doo can do it, so can a couple of monster teenagers

[Znail]

It was probobly just a small branch considering the sirens rampage over being stationed there.

I found Tsukunes flashback pretty interesting as it seems Moka is not only teaching him how to fight but to be a better man too :) Her telling him to follow through with his feelings is a pretty non-subtle hint, althou Tsukune probobly didnt get it!

[TigersDemon]

I'm guessing Fairytale is a worldwide thing. Although it must be pretty poorly run if its eventually going to be overthrown by schoolkids. Thats true of any evil corporation in anything though. If Scooby Doo can do it, so can a couple of monster teenagers

Hoora for the scooby doo shout out:D

it was rather non-subtle wasn't it. it was about a subtle as a sharp stick to the eye :D

[weview]

Better to be blunt then too subtle and come off as a fan of cartoons with canned laughter

[T-6000]

Well to be fair there are a good number of anime and manga which feature teenagers saving the world and defeating an evil organization, in one form or another.

I can't help but wonder if Hokuto himself is involved with Fairy Tale in one form or another, perhaps with a high ranking position. It looked like Kiria is working with Fairy Tale, and it seemed like both he and Hokuto sticked together in Season 1 (though it wasn't exactly on 'friendly' terms). And after all, Hokuto wanted a war between the supernatural creatures (Ayashi) and the Humans, and this is exactly what Fairy Tale wants. So since they both have a common goal, why not join forces?

[weview]

I'm guessing this is what its building up to. Because it does seem as though they're working their way through several different enemy groups. I'm guessing they might all be connected

[Yasu]

Of course everything in a corporation is connected from 1 branch to another branch. It would seem that Tsukune's group has been fighting the weaker branches in the organization up until now, except for the whole Kahula incident. Even though these people are the weaker members of the organization known as Fairy Tale, that doesn't change the fact that they are still really powerful when it comes to fighting. Tsukune and his group still needs to improve a lot before they are going to be able to fight the youkai within the massive organization known as Fairy Tail.

[MidnightTide]

I know you guys like the fighting, but I hope they keep up the romantic part of things (which is what got me hooked on R+V)

[T-6000]

I know you guys like the fighting, but I hope they keep up the romantic part of things (which is what got me hooked on R+V)

I do hope the romance between Tsukune and Moka picks up, and Inner Moka knocking the **** off of kicking Tsukune everytime he gets close to Outer Moka. It's gotten old many chapters ago.

[LordRichardWellington]

Why is it that in a monster corporation it is alway expected that the 'Head' be the strongest? Why can't it ever be that they are strong, but are more like the smartest, or most manipulative, thus comes the need for expensive henchmen or henchmen with the same goal in mind.

That's just been bothering me.

Edit:

I kinda agree, T. (May I call you 'T'?)

[T-6000]

Why is it that in a monster corporation it is alway expected that the 'Head' be the strongest? Why can't it ever be that they are strong, but are more like the smartest, or most manipulative, thus comes the need for expensive henchmen or henchmen with the same goal in mind.

That's just been bothering me.

Edit:

I kinda agree, T. (May I call you 'T'?)

You never know, the head guy could be kinda like Lex Luthor, not physically strong but very smart, very cunning, and thinks ahead alot. After all, in the Justice League Unlimited series he took control of the Legion of Doom by exploiting their powers against them. He was a mere human with no powers, but he used his head to stay one step ahead of all the villians and took control of them. Perhaps the head of Fairy Tale could be like that, he's a weak Yokai or even a mere human (Hell, it could be Lex Luthor!) but he uses his vast knowledge and superior intelligence to not only control those in his organization, but also to easily defeat the group. Moka, being a strong Vampire also has the most severe weaknesses that can make her as weak as a puppy. And I never understood why only 1 villian actually exploited those weaknesses against her when the others could? Perhaps R+V can show that the most dangerous villian can be the smartest, rather than strongest?

Oh, and feel free to call me T if you'd like. :D

[Yasu]

In Rosario + Vampire, the main villain at the end of the story was the strongest and the smartest in the group Anti-thesis. It isn't that most people think that the head of the organization has to be the strongest automatically, but rather it depends on how you interrupt the word or words being used. Some people tend to associate the word strong with physical strength instead of the ability to use your mind to come up with plans on how to accomplish their goals.

Btu at the same time, when a story like Rosario + Vampire 2 shows henchmen that keep getting stronger as the series goes on, then wouldn't it suggest that the opponents at the top of the organization would be as strong as the henchmen? I doubt that the person at the top of the organization would be weaker than the henchmen at the bottom of the organization, seeing as the youkai in this series don't tend to obey orders very well.

[LordRichardWellington]

I do kinda wonder if the last Dark Lord, not that we specifically know that the Bus driver is one and I'd like to think that Moka's father isn't one just so that the plot isn't tacky, if Fairy Tail might be headed by a Dark Lord or a protege of a Dark Lord.

It'd be kinda cliched though...

[Yasu]

Predicting who the last Dark Lord is going to be is something that I don't really have too much confidence in. Seeing as we haven't really been given all that much information regarding the people known as the Dark Lords. The main thing that we know about the Dark Lords is that they were powerful enough to erect the barrier that separates the youkai school from the human world. Everything else is up for grabs regarding these people.

[weview]

I know you guys like the fighting, but I hope they keep up the romantic part of things (which is what got me hooked on R+V)

I agree. I got hooked on the romance. Not panty shots and bikinis but the idea of awkward teen romance is fun to read. The fighting just makes it seem more...epic really. It also acts as a great way to keep the harem in place, as its always distracting the group. If Tsukune showed up normally at lessons all the time then he'd soon pick. Although we all know who he's going for.

Also, I can imagine the one at the head of the corporation is strong (physically) with powerful Youki otherwise he wouldn't be able to control so many out of control thugs. And, its kind of pointless if theres all this build-up to a final battle and the opponent is easier than the others to defeat.

I agree. I'm bored of seeing Tsukune being pushed away by Inner Moka. He should take the hint or she should loosen up.

[Znail]

I agree. I'm bored of seeing Tsukune being pushed away by Inner Moka. He should take the hint or she should loosen up.

Actualy, she isnt pushing him away, rather the hints she is giving is the other way around. The problem is actualy Tsukune, he has too much respect for her and are rather scared of her too. So he doesnt take any hints right now as he cant dream of her actualy liking him. A good example of this is when Moka got the whip and the first thing she did was to take Tsukune on a date, but all he did was worry and think it was some kind of training while she was just enjoying his company and flirting with him. She also gave him a clear hint this chapter.

[weview]

I'm pretty sure she's a bit too proud to be too interested in Tskune. I agree that he's a wimp, and should man up. She is probably waiting for him to make a move.

[Yasu]

It seems that it is going to be a little while longer until Tsukune will be ready to have a chance at dating Inner Moka. Sure Tsukune is getting stronger, but I tend to agree that Inner Moka is just to prideful at times, when it comes to declaring the things that she loves. Honestly, how can a person blame Tsukune for not understanding all of the hints that inner Moka has given him? The guy has been hit around so many times in the past by her, that he doesn't even understand everything that is happening with their relationship all that well.

If he so much as touches her the wrong way he gets a powerful kick to the body and it is game over.

[Znail]

Life is harsh sometimes :)

But I think they are making decent progress. For one so is it pretty clear that Moka is atleast trying to give him hints, even if he doesnt get it. So she isnt too proud to try atleast. Then there is the fact that they spend alot of time together now training. Before that so was Inner Moka only out short times and they never had time to actualy talk or anything. So even if we only got to see a flashback this chapter so are they making progress in getting to know eachother.

I think the biggest issue for Inner Moka right now is that she doesnt only want Trsukune to be all mushy towards Outer Moka but towards her as well. So all we need to wait for is for Tsukune to grow up :)

[TigersDemon]

we might not have to wait all that long. he is making some major progress in the manhood depo. thank god.

[Lingwe]

I'd actually prefer Tsukune to be with Outer Moka more than Inner Moka. Outer Moka seems like she would be easier to get along with. Plus she has changed significantly herself from the kind airheaded helpless shy girl that she was at the beginning of the manga.

[T-6000]

I'd actually prefer Tsukune to be with Outer Moka more than Inner Moka. Outer Moka seems like she would be easier to get along with. Plus she has changed significantly herself from the kind airheaded helpless shy girl that she was at the beginning of the manga.

I myself would also prefer for Tsukune to be with outer Moka, but if Tsukune wants Outer Moka he'll also have to win over Inner Moka. It's a packaged dead for him, unfortunatly. Perhaps something will happen between Inner Moka and Tsukune where she acceps him so that their relationship can continue onwards, because so far their progression is moving as slow as a snail.

[LordRichardWellington]

If not backwards...

[weview]

Thats harem for you. Stretching it out as long as possible until they can actually decide on an ending that all readers would want.

[Yasu]

The mangaka already has an idea of who Tsukune should be ending up with, but everyone else doesn't want to spoil the fun earlier on. I would love to see Tsukune ending up being with someone else besides Outer/Inner Moka, that would just be great if that were to happen.

Hell, it would be even better if the girl that Tsukune ended up being with was a girl that became introduced later on in the series.

[weview]

The mangaka already has an idea of who Tsukune should be ending up with, but everyone else doesn't want to spoil the fun earlier on. I would love to see Tsukune ending up being with someone else besides Outer/Inner Moka, that would just be great if that were to happen.

Hell, it would be even better if the girl that Tsukune ended up being with was a girl that became introduced later on in the series.

I just hope he doesn't get involved with Sun. Because along with Yukari, he's just gonna be a lolicon.

[Yasu]

But Sun is older than Tsukune, so she wouldn't be in the same league as Yukari and Kokoa are.

[Perceptionz]

Story seems to be getting real interesting, far more interesting than it's been before.

[LordRichardWellington]

But Sun is older than Tsukune, so she wouldn't be in the same league as Yukari and Kokoa are.

Very true, Flat Chest is different than loli.

[weview]

She still looks just as young though. I don't think she'll go for him (I hope not anyway. 5 girls is already enough)