[Training] training (cleaning +typeset?)

[rengwei]

hi guys,
i'm new here and i'm willing to help with cleaning and typesetting...
basically i'm lv 0...just read blud's speedscan guide today, download photoshop and neatimage and tried to clean and typeset..i did 3 pages of mx0 and sadly, it looks like crap compared to Ossu's release. ><
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PJ43DL65

so yea...do give me some comments and suggestions on how to improve...i cant promise that i will make improvements immediately since an important exam is coming up but anyway...yoroshiku onegaishimaz

[mab]

:Hi:

welcome to our home

first your clean need a lot of improvement:
1- a lot of detail is gone
2- a lot of grey was turn to black(which really bad to do)
3- but your turn black to black and white to white i guess

your typeset need also improvement:
1- always center the text
2- use as much space there is but leave some space dont touch the bubble

overall this is really very LQ but i can see u improve but read these tutorial
1-make the chapter smaller (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201)
2-The Idiot's Guide to Editing Manga (http://www.unblessed.net/guide/main.html)
3-also reread buld guide

after this try to clean some of naruto manga(which is easier to learn on) to let us see your progress

here i clean and typeset one page u did to let see difference (not the best though but see)

raw
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd170/01mab/m0_02.jpg

my cleanning
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd170/01mab/m0_02-1.png

yur cleanning
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd170/01mab/m0_02-2.png

[Mooncrow]

Mx0 is not a very good starter manga honestly. You're more likely to get frustrated. As mab suggested, start on Naruto, a clean series without many grays, and you'll be able to learn the basics easier.

Typesetting, your shaping is pretty good, but as mab mentioned, getting the text centered within the bubble is key.

Keep up the good work, overall a good start for a beginner. Ask lots of questions, keep practicing, and you'll be cleaning like a master in no time :D

[rengwei]

alright another go...i finally know the REAL burn tool lol...before this i was using brush color burn...thinking it was burn tool lo....well i hope i improved but images seem blurry...is it my denoise problem? i use noise lvl luminance -50% and noise reduction luminance 100% (like what blud did in his guide).

1 more question, does these pass as LQ? ><
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/m0_02.pnghttp://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/FT-AB1-10.pnghttp://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/Bleach_298_pg09.png

[mab]

yeah it is LQ but i seems u dont level after the fillter so that is why it is blurry

but u still need to improve more but i think they will consider u a trainee so wait to venicia

[rengwei]

just quickly done this in 5 minutes...i changed the level settings and i think this is better than before...less blurry

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/FT-AB1-10-1.png

yea mab...i intend to improve...first can u tell me what's the difference between MQ and LQ besides the quality? how can i get MQ results? thx for feedback btw

[mab]

this page still not good LQ spend more time on it to get better result but work in naruto it is easier than move to other mangas

well to go to MQ u have to redone the border dont have the blurry in the page and of course make black black and white white and dont lose some of the details of the page and much more

something like this is MQ/HQ

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd170/01mab/FT-AB-19-1.png


if u want to now how to borader here MH (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6796)

[rengwei]

now i hope this pass as MQ!! took me lots of time phew...

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/FT-AB1-14.png

i know i should try on naruto >< i will probably do that next week...this might be my last clean this week since i got an exam coming up on wednesday >< anyway comments plsss...

[morbid587]

not bad on the last page. btw are you doing overlays? if you are i recommend you don't, cause the bottom 3 boxes came out pretty dark. by overlay i mean you probably flatten the image then set the layer to "overlay", "color burn" etc. if you didn't, then something went wrong there. like mab said, try naruto first since cleaning pages from that manga is a lot easier than the ones your trying.

for fairy tail i don't have that many cleans but here is something of a low MQ clean.

Click (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/niMorbid/Cleans/Fairy%20Tail/Fairy%20Tail%20054/CleanFairyTail054pg03.png)

[rengwei]

very nice...wish i could do gray like that...
i think i know what went wrong with the last 3 panels...i replaced gray with black ><

alright will try on naruto next time thx

[mab]

ok it better than before but still your grey all gone again

man cannot u just leave it alone :)

anyhow keep the good work but your typeset is good now u can help us in that area but i dont know why but some the text blacker than the other in the same bubble??

[morbid587]

rengwei, those aren't grays. that type of lines are usually left alone and not darken or touched. in that page that i posted the lines that look gray to you are the original lines without anything done to them.

[rengwei]

some the text blacker than the other in the same bubble??
yea mab it appeared darker because i use bold for shouting...example : "OH CRAP!" and i use bolditalic for put emphasis on "fairy tail"...if u think that's a bad idea then i could change..

your typeset is good now u can help us in that area
sure i'll be happy to help but spare me any heavy load this 2 weeks since i got an exam...after that i'll be happy to help as much as i could to speed up chapter releases =)

that type of lines are usually left alone and not darken or touched
ok will keep that in mind

[B-One]

You seem to learn fast that's good^^. At first try to go with quality over speed. Like this, it took me 2 hours but it's a High MQ^^: http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/B-One_not_a_robot/Naruto_376_pg04_filtered-1.png

Find your technique and try different things (like the denoising, try to change the settings) each pages is different, that's what I found out:p. Now do your best and you'll be in the team in no time:p

[real0st]

Why not just call it HQ. After all, it does show that you did a lot of work on it. Looks so clean you could lick it. Borders are the only thing, but it looks pretty high quality. 2 hours seems a bit long, but then again, I'll assume that haven't gotten the memory work of cleaning down yet. Cleaning in HQ is time, patience, and a bit of memory work.

[B-One]

lol thanx real0st...gotta work on my borders then... You see rengwei, learning is hard and you can always get better^^. Try to tweak around with things you'll get good in no time:D.

[mab]

oh B-one given a lesson and shown off at the same time man nice but yeah the easy it thing u did not do it shame

hey your are gettin a page in naruto this week no doubt i see page 10 :)

[B-One]

Yeah.......:D

[rengwei]

hi people...anyone miss me? sorry been really busy...but here's a LQ...tell me if my gray is good now...
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/Bleach_298_pg20.png

i'm currently working on the MH HQ cleaning challenge...it's a naruto page..i left last 2 panels and i'll finish it up tmr after my exam...so wait for it! i promise it will be the best clean i've ever done so far :D:D

[mab]

wow this really good it is LQ/MQ or better

i will send PM to our boss venicia and i will tell him u are ready to go :)

very good job hope to work with u soon

but of course u should commit to this not like some people come help in one week then left hope u better then them

[B-One]

Very good cleaning indeed, yeah we missed ya^^. You can now help in our releases:p...and have your name added to the credits!!!!:D

[mab]

i have sent the PM to veni-sama and he will be here soon :)

[rengwei]

here's the page i promised...i dont know if it's good enough to consider HQ but i do it without denoise...i'll be sad if u take less than 10 seconds to look at it lol...

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/hqtest.png

YOSHHH!!! i'm pumped to be a pirate!! it's all thx to u guys scanlators-sama like mab B-One and morbid that i can clean ^^

oh dont forget to comment/critique this page here ^^

[mab]

very very nice cleanning in naruto i would say HQ but there are some White lines which are not connected like in second panel in ino shirt also the lines in the their hair should be more black and connected

but other than that it is amazing

how much did u spent on that ??? ;)

[rengwei]

ino shirt's white line was not connected in the original manga so i left it as it was because i didnt wana simply make changes...:)
ya in my psd file their hairs are connected...but when i change to png-8 and upload to photobucket...their hairs become disconnected and ino lips too become disconnected ><...i guess i shud stroke them even more next time...

man i spend alottttttt of time on this...too many details so too many stroking to do....and the raw has many many dust!:mad: and i did some mistakes too at first so i have to redo some layers...overall it would be about 5 hours? i know...i'm the world's slowest cleaner ><

[mab]

no HQ is hard to do specaily if u did not do it before like me spend too much and a lot of mistakes and cannot do it good so i will try later

check this tutorial by realost here (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1009) and it looks really nice i will try that u should too :)

[rengwei]

ok i will check it out...thx mab
EDIT : i think the thread has been moved to private section??? because it says i dont have the right to access it?? ahhhhhhhhh!!! i saw that thread before...i regret that i never download it that time ><

oh and i always forgot to say this...having done a HQ page i feel u guys FH staff in the HQ OP cleaning are really amazing...especially in recent chapters where there are so many details...must be really hard to do eh?

[venicia777]

Rengwei,
i hear you are ready to join the pirate speedscaning ship. Are you?

I am sure you will say yes. Lets see two more improved pages from you then. Nevertheless, you should get some questions and directions soon today or tomorrow. The pirate ships awaits for you to board.

[rengwei]

yup i'm ready...but looks like veni-sama is really busy lately...
nevertheless my first 2 page spreads...hopefully my cloning is alright

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa67/giganto_luffy/2-pg-spread.png

i think i did good...but again...very slow ><

[mab]

very nice indeed :thumb: i would say this enough to get u aborad

i want to say it before veni-sama say it which i am sure he will say

welcome to the ship :D :fireworks:

[rengwei]

:D:D:D thanksss...i look forward to working with u guys :Hoppity_Hop:

[kenjimaru]

So how long you going to work with Franky House? And how often u help each week?

:D:D:D thanksss...i look forward to working with u guys :Hoppity_Hop:

Clean is suuuuuuupppeeeeeeeerrrr!! U very good. But you know clean grey area is too black - u for work on that. Otherwise nice work.

[rengwei]

i'll work with u guys as long as u guys are scanlating...:D:D
1 yr? 2 yrs? 10 yrs? i dont know...but i dont have any short term plans to leave..
for this week i might be a little busy..i got an exam on monday...after that i'll help out as much as i could...everyday:D

[real0st]

Thats ok, for a cleaning (specifically HQ cleaners) our motto has been "life over cleaning" or something like that. Of course that doesn't apply to speed cleaners, since they only dedicate a fraction of their day on cleaning, and the rest on the forums (you know who you are). Just do what you can on those Raw days.

[B-One]

Yeah LQ/MQ is quite a different world than HQ... I prefer the magnificient world of MQ, where you try to do some kind of nice greys...without killing youself XD.