Rosario to Vampire Chapter 18 Discussion

[Lingwe]

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Our prayers have been answered and the raw has been released. Use this thread to discuss any new developments in the story.

[Arcticus]

Draxie, I think neither of us really hit the mark, but my bet was closer. Wasnt filler, since we appearently get new face to serie.

Neat.First Inner moka complains that he doesnt have enough motivation or something to hurt any1 and that makes him somewhat hopeless case. After that, Ruby gives and small warm talk that he is too strong to even normally touching ordinary humans.

Damsel in distress and Tsukune activates "godmode". Iddqd ftw.

[Znail]

Its funny how the other girls was happily watching him kick ass until he got his reward from the rescued damsel :) Atleast inner Moka should be happy that he got the guts when its needed. Its not that strange that he has trouble hurting the girl he likes, even if she wants him to do his best. I wonder who the new girl is? Is she related to Gin somehow?

[Arcticus]

Former student of youkai gakuen. At least Gin called her Sempai.
This chapter seemed to be one of those milepoles where story gets new direction. Either it now really conscentrates to their training and less time "wasted" doodoo, or arc with completely unknown stuff starts.

[GrrDraxin]

I don't know, for some reason Mizore and Kurumu seemed to want to get VERY friendly with that new girl...... why? Does she just have that charm that they like?

[Arcticus]

I dunno about charm or whatsoever. Yukari was comparing herself to her in heigh etc. Propably they just found her cute or something because she didnt talk and was thanking em for saving her.

[T-6000]

Who the hell were those guys that kidnapped her? Were they Yokai, or human? And were they just local thugs, or part of Fairy Tail?

[GrrDraxin]

Probably just local yakuza thugs. Likely human, but there is a possibility that they were youkai too..... hard to tell really. Also looked like Tsukune didn't even use even half of his power, so I guess they must have been human, also because they used guns and swords. If they were youkai they would just have used their transformations.

[Arcticus]

Those were Humans going after that mute girls "mysterious power" or they referred to something like that. they were normal Yakuzas/thugs anyway.
Moka started to figure out that she may be youkai at the moment when they referred to her ability that way.

Anyway. That girl was either completely ridiculing with those thugs, or she has very weak combat abilities for a monster. Be her ability clayvorance or mind reading etc etc etc, she doesnt seem to be ramboing one like Inner Moka.

[Lingwe]

Just remember to put all specific discussions about the chapter in the discussion threads and leave the general one for all the talking we do while waiting for chapters. Translation is done too, scanlation should be up later.

[thefolenangel]

scans from your old good pal, folen.

http://franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8953

[SOSAnimeBoy]

Haha... this was an awkward chapter, but I've been waiting for Tsukune to kick ass for a while, so I am a bit satisfied.

[T-6000]

Interesting chapter to say the least, and that Sun girl has got my interest. But that Yokai law that was thrown in, that Yokai can't harm humans while in the human world, seemed ridiculous. I mean, I can understand a law in place to keep the Yokai from attacking Human in the human world without provocation. But what if a human was to threaten the life of a Yokai? Can't a Yokai attack a human out of self defense? I can understand the Manga creator had to create some kind of excuse to get Tsukune to rescue Moka by himself so that he can gain some self confidence, but the law that was thrown in seemed a bit silly. I wonder if this 'law' applies to only Yokai living in the supernatural world, or to yokai living in both the supernatural world and the human world? And what if a Yokai under disguise as a human gets drafted into the military? I can also tell that Cocoa is going to become a 'Skuld" the the series. Ugh, I hope this gets reversed.

Other than that, this was one of the better chapters of Season 2.

[patrick5087]

well teh bus driver could have lied you know, i mean he does seem to care about Tsukune in his own way.

[TigersDemon]

which seems a little bit weird no?

[Znail]

I think that 'law' are for students at the yokai academy.

[MidnightTide]

why do they keep on calling Tsakune human, come on now, he isn't even close anymore - he can punch people and they go flying

(and did he kill those thugs? - cause most of em were quite bloody)

[Lingwe]

But that Yokai law that was thrown in, that Yokai can't harm humans while in the human world, seemed ridiculous.

I think it means more that they can't use their youkai power to harm humans, even though it didn't explicitly state that. So while a bunch of girls could try and go beat up a gang with their fists it wouldn't be a particularly good idea. Tsukune on the other hand is able to skirt around that law since he is human in the first place, even though he is technically wielding youkai powers. That law is also probably the basis of the whole school system that they have, teaching youkai to live as humans so they don't use their youkai powers.

why do they keep on calling Tsakune human, come on now, he isn't even close anymore - he can punch people and they go flying

He did stop short of punching that fat guy in the face though, which indicates that while he is able to use inhuman powers he is still able to keep his head and not go crazy. He was only 'knocking out' I assume those other guys because they were all trying to kill him.

[T-6000]

But if it meant that they couldn't use their Yokai powers, then why can Tsukune use his Yokai powers and not get in trouble? This 'law' that was thrown in within this chapter was too much of a curveball, IMHO. I mean, there's a good number of Yokai who dislike humans in the first place, and to be told that it is against their law to harm them in the human world even if their lives were threatened, they would tell the law and the yokai law enforcements to go to hell. If I was a Yokai and friends with the group, if Moka was in trouble (Hell, if *any* of them were in danger) by a group of Human thugs I wouldn't be able to just stand there and let harm come to them. And I'd tell the Bus Driver "You and your law can go to hell, as far as I am concerned!"

[GrrDraxin]

Chances are, that law may be only partly true. But the bus driver probably knew what Tsukune was going through and brought it up only when the others decided to go in and use brute force when the whole reason they were there in the first place is for Tsukune.

So he probably thought fast and forced Tsukune (in his own way) to make up his own mind and believe that even though Tsukune can use youkai abilities, that he would realize that, and that he could hold back much better than any youkai could given the situation.

Seems that the headmaster and bus driver both realize the purpose of Tsukune's fast learning curve is his ability to apply his desire to "protect", and this is what triggers his "will" and full power. So this may be what they will exploit later on when Fairy Tail makes their move. Whether it's to protect his friends or to protect the academy, they will try and figure out the best means to bring out all he has for that purpose.

[TigersDemon]

a very good point you have there drax... one that has occured to me before but i've never really given much thought.

[Znail]

Yeah, the entire reason for this break was to recharge Tsunkunes motivation for training. So the bus driver probobly knew all that. Its even possible that the entire thing was a setup :)

[metal-blaze]

Very good chapter Tskune was really cool when beating the crap out of the yakuza guys, i'm really curious as to what type of youkai the new girl is :D as people have pointed out i also think the bus driver knew that she needed rescuing and thus because youkai are not really allowed to assault humans he decided to get Tskune to somehow sort it out just to save trouble i may be way overthinkin it though :L

[Znail]

Its not that far fetched. Her problem must have had some time to develop as normaly so wouldnt humans know that some yokai have powers. So at the very least so was she in trouble from being known and most likely so was she already being searched for by the thugs. She probobly left her hiding place to meet up with the gang as she was supposed to take care of them. That she actualy had thugs running after her was probobly just a bonus thou as they had probobly planed for them to show up after they met and for Tsukune to protect her instead of saving her.

[LordRichardWellington]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still stuck on Moka telling Tsukune that he didn't have the 'will.' I mean come on, he knows that it is training and that while he is fighting Moka he isn't in an extremely life threatening position. (Cause training with Moka, even if she is holding back, has to be pretty dangerous.) However, in the long run he wouldn't be in fear of his life, or worried about anyone else's. So I ask, just how can you have/ use the will, if it would be semi-pointless to use it?

I'm also stuck on the killing intent comment. Fighting is more than just killing intent, a person can just simply be good at killing without having that intention. Really, if you enter a fight with only killing intent that does not mean that you would have any advantage whatsoever. I just can't see Tsukune wanting to kill anyone either, so that killing intent comment, in my opinion, is completely useless.

In the in he has to much human compassion.

Though I will admit that that may be a very big downfall on his part, he never has had to kill anyone before and when his ghoul form took over he didn't get the opportunity to act on a ghouls instincts. I think that the act of killing someone would drive Tsukune mad.

[Znail]

Moka does have a point in that she isnt exactly fragile herself so he could hit her hard without worrying about her actualy suffering any long term injury. He is ofcourse too gentle to do that to the girl he likes. But she still has a point with her complaint as he might need to hold back less to be able to progress in his training to utilise his strenght.

Well, it will be interesting to see if she aproves of his rescue. I wonder if they have the whip along so that Moka can come out and play some? :) I want them to spend some more non-training time together. Moka was sweet in the earlier chapter when they had a date :)

[bezza010]

that date chapte was the best chapter in season 2 IMO :P probly because im a inner moka fan and have wanted a chapter where she was out for the day for a long time xD

all in all i think this chapter was quite good, there was a nice fight in it :).

on a side note is it just me or is killing intent mentioned alot in anime and manga? why is that do you think?

[TigersDemon]

you know... now that you mention it, it is a rather common theme. disturbingly so.

[MidnightTide]

more dating action...lol

[Lingwe]

Killing intent (satsuki - sorry for the lack of kanji, this comp doesn't have it) is made up of the characters for kill and mind. In english it's translated as killing intent, but it refers more to the actual desire to 'win' rather than 'kill' presumeably because back in the samurai era if you didn't try your hardest to kill your opponent then you would be killed instead. Obviously nowadays we wouldn't try and kill someone if we fought them, but the language hasn't changed. In manga a lack of killing intent should more be read as fighting half heartedly instead of just not wanting to kill their opponent.

[bezza010]

ah thanks for the explanation Lingwe :D

it makes more sense now

[GrrDraxin]

Yes, that's probably the best way to describe "the WILL to win" as I've ever seen. But what is the other thing they use that's similar but is by definition the "intimidation" or "horror" factor? Tsukune can put off the "Cool" factor, which is to impress, which works quite well on the girls, including outer Moka. But, will he be able to put off the intimidation one that could, if applied right, scare even inner Moka into the "scaredy cat trembles"?

I think if inner Moka got frightened enough to fear for her own life, even for just a moment, against Tsukune, she might fully accept him. I'm pretty sure that could come about if for whatever reason, he put out a massive amount of youki power that would press against hers, and everybody else's, so hard that she can't even draw out ANY power to protect herself, because it would be getting compressed within her, rendering her powerless and trembling in fear.

THAT is what I'd like to see. And I'll bet that even youkai would consider Tsukune and monster among them. A monster that even powerful monsters fear, what a title.

[Lingwe]

Although I should also mention occasionally killing intent is also referred to as 'detectable' in the way that herbivores are occasionally able to sense their hunters despite not being able to detect them with any of their other senses. It's kind of hard to explain because the ki part of it means so many different things, both referring to mind, but also to ki as in the energy flowing through our bodies. So it could be detecting the urge to kill that flows through a predator's body that they refer to as 'killing intent'. Just one of the many japanese words that has no one word translation in english.

That actually reminds me of something funny I said. One day I asked me co-workers where the Okami-san (the matriach of the hotel) was, and if she was greeting people. They laughed at me and said that I just said to kill someone. As it turns out instead of saying Aisatsu, which means greeting, I asked if she was Ansatsu, which means assassinate. The satsu from ansatsu is the same kanji as in sastsuki.

[TigersDemon]

lol i can see where one might go wrong with that :)
@draxin; that would be so cool! totally unlikly, but so cool :D

[bezza010]

i dont think that would happen Drax, i think tsukune is going to be just like kenichi from historys strongest desciple kenichi, he will have no killing intent and wont scare anyone, but if its a fight to protect someone he will fight fearcly.

by the way seeing as tsukune is training to control his ghoul powers, do you think he will lose control again?

[DucksMcteeth]

All I've been hoping for was a good action-oriented chapter. I got it I guess, however bitter-sweet, and one-sided it may have been.

I have been extremely disappointed with Rosario + Vampire's second season. I remember reading, as somebody else was saying, it feels like the concept behind this manga has changed, and I agree. It's natural for a series to evolve as it progresses, but (In My Opinion) Rosavam has turned into everything it shouldn't have: a harem driven manga. I would have loved if it had kept with a similar vibe to the Antithesis arcs. Those chapters really had a good balance of dynamic characters, romance, and plot developments.

The last thing we needed was another chapter where Moka is in danger from _______ and Tsukune has to save her. Yes, we get it; Tsukune would do anything to protect Moka. Dedicate a chapter on it once, then move on, please. This chapter had filler arc written all over it. It pains me to say that Ikeda may be having a writer's block.

And what's this? Sun?! Oh, she better not become a main character in the harem. I will only say that much...

Now, yeah, I get it. I'm causing a rucuss and people want to prove my opinion to be FALSE. I don't mind if anyone wants to tear apart and nitpick at my post.

I think I'll take a break from R+V for a month or two to cool my head and wait for some more developments to come into play. Maybe my mind'll start to change in the meantime.

[SOSAnimeBoy]

It pains me to say that Ikeda may be having a writer's block.
If so, that's really lame considering that the release schedule is a chapter-a-month. -_-

[T-6000]

All I've been hoping for was a good action-oriented chapter. I got it I guess, however bitter-sweet, and one-sided it may have been.

I have been extremely disappointed with Rosario + Vampire's second season. I remember reading, as somebody else was saying, it feels like the concept behind this manga has changed, and I agree. It's natural for a series to evolve as it progresses, but (In My Opinion) Rosavam has turned into everything it shouldn't have: a harem driven manga. I would have loved if it had kept with a similar vibe to the Antithesis arcs. Those chapters really had a good balance of dynamic characters, romance, and plot developments.

The last thing we needed was another chapter where Moka is in danger from _______ and Tsukune has to save her. Yes, we get it; Tsukune would do anything to protect Moka. Dedicate a chapter on it once, then move on, please. This chapter had filler arc written all over it. It pains me to say that Ikeda may be having a writer's block.

And what's this? Sun?! Oh, she better not become a main character in the harem. I will only say that much...

Now, yeah, I get it. I'm causing a rucuss and people want to prove my opinion to be FALSE. I don't mind if anyone wants to tear apart and nitpick at my post.

I think I'll take a break from R+V for a month or two to cool my head and wait for some more developments to come into play. Maybe my mind'll start to change in the meantime.

Actually, you're not alone in this regard. That is how I've felt too about Second Season a bit. Nothing much has happened in Season 2, except for the arc where they go to the Yuki-Onna village. My favorite story arc in Season 1 was the Anti-Thesis arc and I would have liked to see the story come back to that. Ever since they crossed the Fairy Tale group I was hoping the story would return to that uncertain tension, but so far it hasn't. The manga is starting to resemble a typical harem, a theme overdone already, in fact a bit like Ranma 1/2 but with monsters. I'm still going to wait through and see if the plot developes into something more interesting.

[TigersDemon]

personaly i kinda like the second season so far. though its is an admititly low/slow pace.

[bezza010]

personaly i kinda like the second season so far. though its is an admititly low/slow pace.

i agree, it may also seem slowler though because of the month wait in between chapters

[TigersDemon]

that could be it, though the re-introduction is definatly part of it.

[bezza010]

yeah but i suppose thats so people who havnt read season 1 can still read season 2 and have a small idea of whats going on and who people are.

[Znail]

Yeah, it had to be done as the manga moved to a new magasine with S2. We should be happy that it wasnt cancelled along with the original magasine it was running in.

[TigersDemon]

thats very true, but with a fanbase like rosavam i dont think it would be cancled.

[Angelrules]

They're mearly humans. They wouldn't carry any weapons if they were youkai right? The girl is youkai but her powers are still unknown. Waiting for Chapter 19 raw! I'll do my best to help you translate it! I learned japanese right after i graduated from high school. right now i'm interested in helping you guys out in the release of Rosario+Vampire II. I'm really sorry, i just returned to the philippines and forgot to get the full book of The full Rosario+Vampire II in japan. i'm really sorry. i can't go back after 5 years T_T. anyway.i'll do my very best to help you in translating it. my apartment back in japan was full of translated comics. i don't know if it was correct. but i understand the story very well. hope i can ask my cousin to get it. and buy a comic on the raw Rosario+Vampire series

[GrrDraxin]

They're mearly humans. They wouldn't carry any weapons if they were youkai right? The girl is youkai but her powers are still unknown. Waiting for Chapter 19 raw! I'll do my best to help you translate it! I learned japanese right after i graduated from high school. right now i'm interested in helping you guys out in the release of Rosario+Vampire II. I'm really sorry, i just returned to the philippines and forgot to get the full book of The full Rosario+Vampire II in japan. i'm really sorry. i can't go back after 5 years T_T. anyway.i'll do my very best to help you in translating it. my apartment back in japan was full of translated comics. i don't know if it was correct. but i understand the story very well. hope i can ask my cousin to get it. and buy a comic on the raw Rosario+Vampire series

Ah, that's nice to know. Very good that we can have a fresh set of eyes help with translation. Between both you and our current translator Lingwe, translation accuracy should increase a percentage. I hope your grasp of english "flow" is good too, as it has to make sense to a monolingual person such as myself.

Anyway, cooperation of 2 translators can be better than one, so you probably could ask Lingwe where you can sign up.

[kickthekitty]

You know it's gone shojo when you no longer yell "BOOBS!" as downloading release.
There was time when I couldn't wear pants while reading this series...

[hawleyaw]

You know it's gone shojo when you no longer yell "BOOBS!" as downloading release.
There was time when I couldn't wear pants while reading this series...
That gives me chills reading your post. What do you do with your spare time.:confused: Yet I do agree its to shojo my advice...less romance, more fighting and getting better with his powers.

[kickthekitty]

That gives me chills reading your post. What do you do with your spare time.:confused: Yet I do agree its to shojo my advice...less romance, more fighting and getting better with his powers.


with my spare time? Keroro Gunsou! (v6 to be precise)

Not better then sex but now officially beats masturbation!