Rosario+Vampire II chapter 15 Discussion

[Lingwe]

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I was laughing my ass off at Ruby this chapter. I always thought that she was the most 'normal' of the girls but now we find out she is into BSDM. Looks like Tsukune is also finally going to gain control of his vampire powers. I know it sounds a little corny but I'm glad that he is going to be using his vampire powers more. Next chapter will finally feature the first fight between Moka and Tsukune since Moka nearly killed him. I'm looking forward to it.

[Kaiser Nicolai]

Technically speaking she has always been on BDSM, when doppleganger masked as Tsukune hit her, back in volume 10 during the ririsu mirror all she wanted was tsukune to order her around and dont get me started on anime Ruby

[T-6000]

Even though we have seen Ruby's Masoshism side in an earlier chapter, it is funny seeing it even more to the extent of her nearly having an orgasm! :D I am glad to see that Tsukune will finally become a full fledged monster, not to mention be very interesting in several ways. First off, I'd like to see how his training goes and how he has to both physically and mentally train himself. Kinda like a Martial Artist training, it looks to me. Another way is that it would be interesting to see the 'weaker' male lead get more powerful than most of the female protagonists that literally surround him and have a love affection for him. I am a bit tired of seeing alot of Anime and Manga stories involving a weaker male, whom couldn't even fight a pack of matches, surrounded by more powerful female characters that have to constantly protect him. And I'll admit that this was a bit of a thorn on my side with this story, though thankfully this wasn't as bad when Tsukune could have access to his ghoul powers. But now that it looks like he could become a full fledged Yokai, and a strong one at that. It'd be an interesting switch if Tsukune, in the future, would be tasked with protecting the girls and fighting for them instead of having to rely on them protecting him.

And one more thing that has me interested, though a bit worried at the same time, is if this will change Tsukune's behavior. Remember during when one of the Doppleganger's henchmen stabbed Tsukune and nearly killed him, only for him to seemingly awaken his vampire blood? Of course, too bad this was only momentarily and that the Ghoul blood started to take it's affect on him soon. But when we thought that he could become a full fledged vampire at the time, I expressed worry in regards to Tsukune's behavior change prior to him becoming a Vampire. Well, my worry has returned. We all know what happens to some humans when they have power, they become corrupt with it and think they can do whatever they want. Let's hope that Tsukune will know better and that he'll learn to use his power responcibly. Another thing that worries me is that if he does become a full fledged vampire, his mind could also change with his body and he could have that Vampire Ego. You know how Inner Moka and Cocoa, to an extent, are a bit arrogant with their lineage and that they think that other monsters are below them? This arrogance could be a typical psychological condition with all vampires, instead of conditions involving their upbringing (like their father 's influence would give them the impression that Vampires are the master race), and I wonder if Tsukune will inherit this type of arrogance. Man, I really hope not since I'd hate to see how the girls would react if Tsukune gave them such a cold shoulder. Hopefully Tsukune will be his old self still despite being a vampire.

All in all, if and when Tsukune becomes a full fledged Yokai, things won't be quite the same anymore.

[Znail]

Well, R+V does have some redeeming qualities despite being an obvious harem manga. Tsukune is a bit shy but its clear that he has made up his mind about wich girl he likes, its just that the girl of his choise arent clear about her feelings either. Moka has so far used the excuse of liking his blood for staying close to him. Tsukune while physicly weak (normal human) has always been brave to the point of foolhardiness so he isnt quite as weak willed as some other make leads.

I am looking forward to the training sessions and inner Moka also seemed to aprove of him some at the end, wich is a good sign. It was somewhat unfortunate that R+V had to switch magazines and it made the story take a step back. But it seems we are getting to the continuation of the main quest of Tsukune wich is to get together with Moka.

[EhudbenGera]

"Inner" Moka's still something of a (female dog), though. Still insists that any strength Tsukune may possess is the result of her blood donation. Pshaw, yeah right.

Well, maybe physically, but certainly not mentally, emotionally or "spiritually."

[Catastrophe]

I gotta say, a lot of people here want Tsukune to be a vampire (including myself) but if he became a vampire he would gain all of the vampire weaknesses wouldnt he? If he didnt he wouldnt be a vampire, because they are known to be the strongest at the cost of having the most weaknesses. He is still pretty strong right now with just one weakness. So wouldnt it be better if he became some vampire ghoul hybrid where he keeps the weakness of ghouls, but gains the strength of vampires :D

[TigersDemon]

um... i think you forgot about one weakness there... remember the doppleganger arc? the kurumu thing? :D but mabey he'll become more like Blade or something :)

[Catastrophe]

Good call, i totally forgot about that one.

[Znail]

Vampires in R+V are pretty strong and while having more weakness then other yokai so arent they that bad compared to more classic vampires. Its not like Moka is bothered by sunlight, garlic or other minor things. Only weakness that has mattered so far are water, but even that is only a weakening not a fatal weakness.

[Lingwe]

I don't think that Tsukune's personality will change even if he does become a vampire. Or rather, I don't think Tsukune is going to become a full vampire. He is just going to gain control over the vampire blood that is in him, and that includes the desire to drink blood. So it is probably unlikely that Tsukune will start wanting to drink one of the other girls blood again, like he wanted to drink Moka's blood for a bit in season 1. Although it would be cool if he did.

[SOSAnimeBoy]

um... i think you forgot about one weakness there... remember the doppleganger arc? the kurumu thing? :D but mabey he'll become more like Blade or something :)
What are you talking about? Could you describe it for me pls?

[cmunneke]

dude i think he's talking about the flashing of the tits in the thief arc. (fake kurumu boobs).

[Kaiser Nicolai]

dude i think he's talking about the flashing of the tits in the thief arc. (fake kurumu boobs).That was pretty much Tsukune's reaction of embarrassment, if he wasnt embarrassed about boobs he would've pretty much beat the doppleganger

I think that he will not become a vampire, but something inbetween, I agree with someone that said he would become something like Blade

[TigersDemon]

that would be me, and yes i was talking about the flashing :D

[SOSAnimeBoy]

Wow... I don't remember this at all... need to go back and look it up lol.

[Kaiser Nicolai]

That's season 2 chapter 6 :D

When the doppleganger was being raped badly(Ghoul Tsukune was beating him) by Ghoul Tsukune, he flashed the boobs he copied from Kurumu to distract him, Ruby and Yukari used that chance to make a sealing spell and Tsukune lost his ghoulness :D

[Znail]

But that doesnt realy have anything to do with vampiric weakness thou as it was just that some Kurumo boobs distracted his bloodlust some so he could be sealed again. I think most males would be atleast somewhat distracted by that :catman:

I think he will get more and more like a vampire with strenghts and weakness both. But it does have some promise for fun that Moka and Tsukune wont exactly be able to live of eachothers blood so the other girls have a shot there for some nibbling :Hip Hip: I hope there is enuff fun prospects there for us to get that development.

[TigersDemon]

why cant they live off each others blood? seems to me that nothing has to change in that department :)

[ff nut]

well assuming that vampires 'use up' (going on the basis that moka becomes anaemic if she doesnt drink blood) blood and therefore crave it. If they drank each others the net effect would 2 hungry vampires with the addition of bite wounds sort of like two buckets of water taking a cup out of each and putting it in the other:P looking forward to this one being scanlated :P i only browsed the raw didnt want to have to flick back and forth between translation and raw

[Znail]

well assuming that vampires 'use up' (going on the basis that moka becomes anaemic if she doesnt drink blood) blood and therefore crave it. If they drank each others the net effect would 2 hungry vampires with the addition of bite wounds sort of like two buckets of water taking a cup out of each and putting it in the other:P looking forward to this one being scanlated :P i only browsed the raw didnt want to have to flick back and forth between translation and raw

Exactly my point :)

I guess Tsukune could nibble on the other girls and Moka on him thou :Hip Hip:

[TigersDemon]

well assuming that vampires 'use up' (going on the basis that moka becomes anaemic if she doesnt drink blood) blood and therefore crave it. If they drank each others the net effect would 2 hungry vampires with the addition of bite wounds sort of like two buckets of water taking a cup out of each and putting it in the other:P looking forward to this one being scanlated :P i only browsed the raw didnt want to have to flick back and forth between translation and raw

Good point....

Quick question; should chapter 15 be finished in a few days or so?

[T-6000]

A couple more things I've been wondering. First off, I actually never expected for us to get to this point, Tsukune training to become a full fledged Yokai, until closer to the end of the series. I can't help but wonder if we're getting a bit closer to the end of the series. Or his training could be an ongoing thing throughout the series. All in all, I'm surprised that it's so soon that he's close to becoming a full fledged Yokai, possibly a Vampire.

Another thing I'm wondering is how will Moka adjust to this change. Meaning that she could become weaker and a bit more pale without Tsukune's blood. It wouldn't make sense for her to drink Tsukune's blood if he becomes a Yokai, unless his blood still retains it's 'sweet' taste even after he becomes a Yokai.
But I doubt that is going to happen. And if Tsukune does become a vampire, where is he going to get his supply of blood from?

[thefolenangel]

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[MidnightTide]

Excellent chapter, went through it in a couple minutes.

I think there is quite a bit of potential arcs to be made before the end. Will Tsakune fight Moka in the next chapter?

[TigersDemon]

thx dude :D

GAH!! its seemed so short!! Way too short!! Really good though :D

[matty543]

And if Tsukune does become a vampire, where is he going to get his supply of blood from?

Your joking right!!??
Theres about 5 girls who would love to give him a bit of any thing :D

Awesome chapter cant wait for the next one

[T-6000]

Your joking right!!??
Theres about 5 girls who would love to give him a bit of any thing :D

Awesome chapter cant wait for the next one

Well, I don't think Vampires can drink the blood from other Yokai, even witches. But even if he could, I seriously doubt he'd do it. He's too concerned about protecting them and he'd see drinking their blood as hurting them. And besides, he'd be a bit too bashful to drink their blood.

And in regards to this chapter, I don't know wether to hug Kurumu or smack her across her head for hitting Ruby with that 'Ko-Chan club'. Yeah, Ruby was enjoying that pain a bit too much but it was for the good of tsukune. ;) But why on earth did the Exorcist allow the girls to go into that 'patradise world' to look for Tsukune? He should have know they'd get in the way of his training by fighting over him. Again. But the next chapter should be interesting. But what did Inner Moka meant that she felt that Tsukune didn't need to become stronger?

[Znail]

The only problem would be that Moka might not aprove of him nibbling on the other girls. :)

[matty543]

well i reckon moka and tsukune will probaly feed off each other at some point it would just be a lot more romantic that way so the author will probaly go that way and ignore the little inconsistanys involved with it.

[xxxsharpie]

Honestly, that was probably my favorite chap. of R+V II lol. But no, it's actually nice to see Tsukune becoming more involved in the fights. Can not wait to see how things progress in this new arc.

[Lingwe]

But the next chapter should be interesting. But what did Inner Moka meant that she felt that Tsukune didn't need to become stronger?

My fault for not making it clear enough. It isn't that she doesn't feel that Tsukune needs to become stronger, it's that she doesn't need to feel that Tsukune needs to become stronger.

Edit: seems I originally wrote it out that way but when it was proofread it was assumed that I had doubled it up or something so the extra 'need' part was removed.

[SOSAnimeBoy]

And if Tsukune does become a vampire, where is he going to get his supply of blood from?

Your joking right!!??
Theres about 5 girls who would love to give him a bit of any thing :D

matty, perhaps he meant where exactly he would choose to bite to get the blood from... lots on interesting places to choose... yum!

[Fain]

Lol nice ^^ Ruby would also make a nice girlfriend....

More important. I hope for Tsukune to become a person with a split vampire personality like moka (I mean the arrogant attitude and all).^^
That would make a lot of problems and a nice new arc. That way the girls have to make both Tsukunes like them. Cocoa would also fall far him...or rather his vampiric side. Moka would probably feel sad cause arrogant Tsukune doesn't like her as much as the normal Tsukune. It would be funny ^^ What do you think...

[TigersDemon]

it would be interesting i have to admit, but i see so many problems down that road its not even funny.

... Okay, so mabey its a little funny :D






I just realised something! We have to wait another month again! (before you say anything about my observation skills, i would like to point out that i was still on my "new chapter" high when i wrote this)

[Fain]

I really hate that R+V is monthly and not weekly ^^
It would be far more convenient....

[Znail]

My fault for not making it clear enough. It isn't that she doesn't feel that Tsukune needs to become stronger, it's that she doesn't need to feel that Tsukune needs to become stronger.

Edit: seems I originally wrote it out that way but when it was proofread it was assumed that I had doubled it up or something so the extra 'need' part was removed.

This statement by her gets more interesting if you remember that she earlier said that her pride as a vampire wouldnt let a lowly human get close to her. This suggests that she doesnt have anything against getting close to Tsukune anymore. So their training sessions looks quite promising :)

[TigersDemon]

oh the possibilities! they are almost endless now :D Now i really cant wait for the next chapter.

[SOSAnimeBoy]

I can't wait for Moka to "teach" Tsukune about the birds and the bees.

[EhudbenGera]

seems I originally wrote it out that way but when it was proofread it was assumed that I had doubled it up or something so the extra 'need' part was removed.

Oh, sorry. Quite frankly, I still don't quite see the meaning of the statement. It seems a stupid thing to say, like "the sun came up this morning." Who needs to feel someone else needs something?

Or are you saying that Moka is self-sufficient enough that Tsukune becoming stronger has nothing to do with her?

I'm confused.

[Znail]

Oh, sorry. Quite frankly, I still don't quite see the meaning of the statement. It seems a stupid thing to say, like "the sun came up this morning." Who needs to feel someone else needs something?

Or are you saying that Moka is self-sufficient enough that Tsukune becoming stronger has nothing to do with her?

I'm confused.

Agreed, the double need doesnt make sense.

Hmm, maybe he is trying to say that she doesnt need to feel that Tsukune is trying to get stronger as in she wouldnt be upset with him if he didnt try so hard. She does have a soft spot for him and doesnt like it when he gets hurt so I guess that might be it.

[Lingwe]

Oh, sorry. Quite frankly, I still don't quite see the meaning of the statement. It seems a stupid thing to say, like "the sun came up this morning." Who needs to feel someone else needs something?

Or are you saying that Moka is self-sufficient enough that Tsukune becoming stronger has nothing to do with her?

I'm confused.

You're guess is as good as mine. It was a weird sentence either way so I guess it was easy to assume that it was a mistake. It was literally "feel don't need you need become stronger" so I just tried to write it in a way that encapsulated all the words. Hopefully people won't read too much into it.

[TigersDemon]

lol. of course people are going to try to read into it, thats what we do :D

[T-6000]

You're guess is as good as mine. It was a weird sentence either way so I guess it was easy to assume that it was a mistake. It was literally "feel don't need you need become stronger" so I just tried to write it in a way that encapsulated all the words. Hopefully people won't read too much into it.

Just one of many examples of how translating Japanese To English can be a near impossible feat. I wonder if even Skynet would have problems?

What has gotten me concerned the most in this chapter is what was said in this chapter by that little fairy Lilith: "Fairy Tale is a force of the Human world and a Dangerous Organization. They are the opposite of this school, not aiming for a Peaceful coexistance with humans. That's why if they are starting to move the academy cannot continue to sit by and watch."
Then the Exorcist goes on to say how he wants Tsukune to train to use his Yokai powers and that he wants as many capable 'fighters' as possible. All and good, but I still say they should have some military training. The "4 Fs" could be useful, as well as indoor urban combat. You never know. Errrr anyways, when I read this it somewhat came pretty close to my prediction that there could be a large conflict between the humans and the Yokai in the future. It seems like this 'Fairy Tale' doesn't want a peaceful coexistance with Human society, possibly desiring to eradicate them all. That could either mean open war, or maybe covert operations aiming to take down as many humans as possible through as little effort as possible. Either way, there is sure to be a major conflict in the future.

This is all sort of starting to remind me of the second Hellboy movie, with Hellboy and his group trying to stop an Elf and his army from trying to take down human society. Eerily familiar, isn't it?

I'm starting to think that Tsukune was secretly allowed to enroll in the school to fight off the school's secret enemies, such as the Anti-Thesis group and now Fairy Tale. Of course, if my hunch is right then you may be asking, why Tsukune? Why not pick someone else, more capable for the job? I couldn't say myself, but why did the Exorcist first turn to Tsukune to help him deal with these problems? After all, he helped with Tsukune's ghoul problem, no strings attached (or at least, not asking a price from him. he did it for free. Hell, Yuko from XXXHolic/Tsubasa Chronicle would have charged him a hefty fine for helping him with his 'Ghoulish' problem. Sorry, I just *had* to say that!) and then he blackmailed Tsukune to help him with the Anti-Thesis group by threat of expulsion. And now he is giving Tsukune 'special' training to deal with Fairy Tale.

I guess what I am trying to say is that all of this just *can't* be coincidence! I *know* someone is pulling the strings here! Maybe it's the exorcist, maybe not. Or maybe it's all just coincidence and I'm being paranoid.

[Lingwe]

Jack Frost did say it was his fate.

[Caos_Reigns_4ever]

First off love the whole S&M tha t Ruby pulled off, butjust like thesnow girl the others had to interrupt their fun, still seeing Tsukunegetting thehangof his powers those help in the long run against this Fairy tale oponents, doesthe factthat we saw snow girl and Ruby get some alone time with Tsukune mean that all the girls will get their own one shot with him?

[TigersDemon]

very possible. BTW, snow girl's name is mizore. just thought you should know :)