A poll for mab

[Ranma87]

Taken from mangahelpers:

ok let others rate it to let u see i am not the only one who rate this LQ

my point is to let u increase ur quality but if u conitine this is MQ then u will never improve


but i will not conitine in this so that is finally for u

Please rate the quality of this scan

Rosario Vampire Season 2 chapter 6

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/110498/prev.jpg

Direct Download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8YAIYHMB


Raw: http://www.mediafire.com/?ffrntt3iggw

[Anon]

How about the RAW?? And you should post this in the training thread :p

[Ranma87]

Raw has been added

[zidane21ps]

it's LQ, simply because you even didn't delete the japanese text...
only trough redrawing you can receive MQ...

also you don't know how to stroke text, obviously...or else you would have done it with the text that is on dark background...

and you seem to proud or whatever to just ask how to do it in the trainigsection...

and i'm 100% sure it's possible even with gimp...

if you would correct those two things, i'd rate your scan as LQ/MQ...

[Anon]

So what should I grade? Your Typesetting, or the whole chapter as a whole? Well it's all the same, it's LQ:
The reasons are as follow:
Redrawing, new lines, good greys, good leveling that is too overleveled, and the typesetting is bad as well....LQ, and the RAW was pretty good btw...an easy MQ RAW I'd say :p

[Ranma87]

The chapter as a whole

[Ranma87]

it's LQ, simply because you even didn't delete the japanese text...
only trough redrawing you can receive MQ...

also you don't know how to stroke text, obviously...or else you would have done it with the text that is on dark background...

and you seem to proud or whatever to just ask how to do it in the trainigsection...

and i'm 100% sure it's possible even with gimp...

if you would correct those two things, i'd rate your scan as LQ/MQ...I use gimp in everything, all the guides are photoshop.

[mab]

wow man u think u will get MQ no way XD

btw just couple of raw pages and their cleaning version

[Anon]

updated the post above, and you should dl PS and start learning with it :p

[mab]

anon he think i have something aganist him but all i said it is not MQ

he need alot of traning but he dont believe

so ppl see and judge by yourself


zidane in fact MQ is not only redrawin here is the steps for it
1- whites should be white
2- blacks should be blacks
3- borders redrawed
4- center text in typeseting and good size for the bubble
5- grays like the raw not darker

more less it is the steps up :D

[shadowThingy]

Wow, you guys are worse than Simon Cowell, give ranma some credit geez, I think it looks great when I was reading it

[Binky]

Well, scanlators are always going to be harsh critics of other scanlators, and that's a good thing, it leads to improvement all 'round.

[zidane21ps]

zidane in fact MQ is not only redrawin here is the steps for it
1- whites should be white
2- blacks should be blacks
3- borders redrawed
4- center text in typeseting and good size for the bubble
5- grays like the raw not darker


sure, but that's not even supposed to be mentioned...
if you don't do so, you should train a lot...

he's just not being realistic about his quality...i hate it if people overrate their stuff...


Well, scanlators are always going to be harsh critics of other scanlators, and that's a good thing, it leads to improvement all 'round.

Absolutly, i also never took any critics personal and just tried to follow the instructions how to improve...

but acting all cocky and rating yourself as "improved MQ" when you actually release in LQ just isn't right...

[shadowThingy]

Well, scanlators are always going to be harsh critics of other scanlators, and that's a good thing, it leads to improvement all 'round.

or it could discourage him to stop doing it which means no more R+V for those who care >_>

[Anon]

Well we look at it differently since we are cleaners as well...and mab check this (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3702) thread out :D

[Ranma87]

Well we look at it differently since we are cleaners as well...and mab check this (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3702) thread out :DCongrats.

you've official made it to my --- list

edited: sorry i just lost my temper

[zidane21ps]

you've official made it to my shit list

Anon sure's gonna cry like a little girl because of that...xD

dude, who do you think you are?

everyone here who knows a bit about scanlating tells you that you're far away from
real MQ and that you have to improve and you only reaction is
to add some FrankyHouse Staff-Member to your "shit-list"...

seriously, i'd ban you for a week or so for that...

[Ranma87]

Anon sure's gonna cry like a little girl because of that...xD

dude, who do you think you are?

everyone here who knows a bit about scanlating tells you that you're far away from
real MQ and that you have to improve and you only reaction is
to add some FrankyHouse Staff-Member to your "shit-list"...

seriously, i'd ban you for a week or so for that...You did more than bash me, you rubbed it in my face and tried to mock me.

I honestly dare you to do it.

[zidane21ps]

You did more than bash me, you rubbed it in my face and tried to mock me.

What kind of EMO are you?
to feel defensive through a few words on the net?

i just say that it's cocky that you rate your scan as MQ while it's LQ...

it's not my problem if you feel offended...that wasn't the purpose of my post...

but your stubbornes just pisses me off...

edit: but, do whatever you want...i'll just ignore you from now on since this leads to nowhere...
no more comments on your releases from me...

[shadowThingy]

all of a sudden I feel like I wont be seeing any R+V for awhile, oh man :(

[Anon]

ahahahaha, OK now let's stop the bashing XD
this is barely MQ that I did and btw the RAW is prrety crappy on this one but I think it's pretty good for SS and I did this a month ago and when I look at it now I think to myself how in the world did you get it this crappy XD

RAW
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5077/m017ol2.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m017ol2.jpg)

Clean
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7295/m017ix7.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m017ix7.png)

Even better something that I did from this weeks Mx0 ;)
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5148/05ey0gs0.th.png (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05ey0gs0.png)

[Ranma87]

all of a sudden I feel like I wont be seeing any R+V for awhile, oh man :(

No, despite the criticisms I would never let the fans down. I'll keep doing my best and suck it up... Professional opinions seem to be against me, I just didn't take it very well I suppose because I thought I did a good job.

As soon as the raw for 7 is released we'll get to work

[ff nut]

who cares if its MQ or LQ when it looks good i mean im have no real experiance in these issues but to me a good scanlation is no overitten japanese text white base colour shading similar to the manga etc i mean as long as its enjoyable to read who cares and in the end if you dont like it dont read it

[denda2004]

Heres one i cleaned ranma and i cant do MQ cleans (still learning how to do the redrawing)

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9056/testwk7.jpg

i overleveled it on the whites and also theres still dust left to remove but i know where i went wrong.


dont get me wrong i think you did a good job just need to do some more practice with gimp or photoshop (i use gimp at college/uni to clean and Photoshop at home on me laptop) :)

[mab]

wow why do u ppl think we hate him or want to bring him down

i dont mind LQ at i will never say anything but plz never overrate your scans while it is not close to that rating u giving it

so if he said it is LQ then no one will talk and nothing but i talked since he said it is MQ(chapter 4-5) while they were LQ and improve MQ for chapter 6 and it is LQ comon

he should have said for chapter 4-5 LQ and for chapter 6 improve LQ that i will accept since it is true the cleaning get better but not to MQ yet

[denda2004]

like i said u aint been evil or anything your just trying to point out his error and also help him improve xD

by way redrawing is annoying :)

[Binky]

Listen, LQ sounds like a loaded term, but as the readers of R+V posting here prove, people are enjoying your work. Throwing out MQs isn't exactly childsplay, less so if you're solo or in a very small team. Relax, take the official definition of MQ, decide whether it's worth the hassle to get there and keep scanlating. There are LQs and there are LQs, the bottom of the spectrum are bizarre messes and yours is really rather good. If it's readable, you've done your job, and from the sounds of things, you're succeeding. :)

[mab]

my last post hope ranma can tell the difference

here is your page
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd170/01mab/1v2.png
mine
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd170/01mab/01-2.png


hope this closes this thread

[Ranma87]

The quality on that was badly degraded... it must have been poorly resaved

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/110498/631726310-01.jpg < here is the real version included in the release

The size of that image is 153k... the original is 385k... to be honest it looks like it was resaved in paint.

Basically the quality was cut in half

[denda2004]

ok stop with the bitching its getting old mab just made a point that its not what others call a MQ,

he said you are doing well and was just trying to help,
also how old are you , you take things so little to heart, even when everyones just trying to help you,
I mean christ look at my clean im still learning and thanks to mab and loads of others who i talked to i made it to where i am atm.

but yeah you really need to learn mab isnt picking at you hes just trying to help you.


well im not posting again now on this topic as its getting stupid.

[Znail]

I find it a bit strange to have a standard where the Medium quality standard is so high that most cant reach it. Personaly I would understand if that was the requirement for High Quality while Medium Quality was easier to reach and Low Quality would be for poor quality work.

[Ranma87]

I find it a bit strange to have a standard where the Medium quality standard is so high that most cant reach it. Personaly I would understand if that was the requirement for High Quality while Medium Quality was easier to reach and Low Quality would be for poor quality work.QFT


ok stop with the bitching its getting old mab just made a point that its not what others call a MQ,

he said you are doing well and was just trying to help,
also how old are you , you take things so little to heart, even when everyones just trying to help you,
I mean christ look at my clean im still learning and thanks to mab and loads of others who i talked to i made it to where i am atm.

but yeah you really need to learn mab isnt picking at you hes just trying to help you.


well im not posting again now on this topic as its getting stupid.

For your information I was just ... Ugh you know what nevermind, ive had enough of this I give up. Its obvious to me this thread is one sided and there is no point in fighting an army... im not rambo.

I give up, all my releases are crap, LQ i might as well do them in paint


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/110498/white_flag.jpg

peace out, you beat me

[denda2004]

QFT




For your information I was just ... Ugh you know what nevermind, ive had enough of this I give up.

Its obvious to me this thread is one sided and there is no point in fighting an army... im not rambo

peace out

hey no one says your rambo , no one wants you to be and its not one sided they listened to your opinons and you shoved there comments on how to improve your scans even more back in there faces.

Also Znail i agree with you but meh someone set the guidelines and people just followed it xD

and whats wrong with LQ if its like yours Ranma or mine its fine :)

also you cant do that quallity in paint trust me >> if u can i wanna know how xD

[Znail]

Well, one way to consider it would be that MQ are actualy high quality and LQ is medium quality while the real low quality isnt released by this and other more experienced sites. I personaly find it difficult to call something LQ when it actualy requires someone who is experienced with doing scanlations to notice the diffrence compared with a true MQ. I have seen pretty poor work for some series that are more obviously below standard.

[denda2004]

same lol Tenjou Tenge has some real poor scanlations out there :)
but i gotta agree is almost like you said xD

[tmc21121]

Alright Ranma... Calm down... From what I read throughout this thread, no one was truely against you... You should be proud of the work you did, but when people give you constructive criticism, which is all Ive really seen in this thread, you shouldnt get all hurt. They arent dissing you work, they are trying to help you improve it. Calm down and listen to your peers. Espeacially when they are your seniors in this particular field.

[Ranma87]

Im not fighting anymore, I said I give up.

[denda2004]

like tmc said just take it as critisim to get better with nothing more. :)

[shadowThingy]

Just think of these guys as Simon Cowell, that should make you feel better when you consider that he BOOOO's everyone he listens too :)

[denda2004]

haha thats true >_< good way of putting it :)

anyway hopefully this is settle now and ranma dont loose spirit , your doing alot better than me as at least you can scanlate,
im still a learning person :)



*edit*

wish i could spell (stupid dyslexia) its annoying having to edit all the time to change spellings to correct one xD

[tmc21121]

Sigh... Ranma... they arent "fighting" with you. They are simply doing what you called for in this thread, and on top of that, suggesting to you ways of improvement. Thats how anyone truely gets better at something. Improving upon what they already have. They are just trying to cut out the hard part of figuring out what to improve on.

[Ranma87]

I understand, its my fault I shouldn't have been defensive I just lost my temper...im over it..

I shouldn't ask questions if I don't want real answers, I just wasn't expecting this kind of feedback I suppose..

[elicit]

Lol, I come in and see this whole load of text. But seriously Ranma, appreciate criticism, it helps you improve.

[MidnightTide]

You gotta love net drama....lol

But all I took from these pages was some constructive suggestions.

But if you want good feedback, well, I think you did a good job (heck, I can read it so its good to me, but wtf do I know about this entire process, I am just a rosariocrack junkie...lol)

[Ilesyt]

Well, I can say you lost alot of quality on the greys. And it's a bit of blurry on places.
The typesetting is mostly ok, except for where you didn't get rid of too much japanese, meaning lacking in the redrawing and cloning section, but hell even I can't do that yet :P
Well, I can clone for the most part, but I hate the redrawing.

Overall, it's somewhere between LQ and MQ but still LQ.

It's better then your previous releases though.

[CodeGeass]

hey stop it...

i dnt care whether its LQ or MQ... all that matters to me is that.. the drawing and the text is understandable.. period

credits for both ranma87 for the raw.. and mab,elicit,michy for the editing and translations

[Ilesyt]

CG, you're guessing something wrong here :P

ranma didn't bring out raw, but let's leave it be now, I agree on that.

[Ranma87]

hey stop it...

i dnt care whether its LQ or MQ... all that matters to me is that.. the drawing and the text is understandable.. period

credits for both ranma87 for the raw.. and mab,elicit,michy for the editing and translationsI'm not a raw provider, I do my own scans.

[CodeGeass]

if im wrong.. im sorry, coz ranma87 uploaded some cleaned scans @ blipy.. its not raw, my wrong

[LF2005]

I don't really care about the quality, for me it is good enough, although it had spelling errors that made it a little difficult for me.
I prefer it like this than to wait a over a mount for a chapter.
if you take in account that he did this in a record time, then this is a high quality.

[mab]

wow ppl who love R+V just vote MQ where it is LQ anyway i dont care i know from a cleaner point of view this is LQ with no doubt ^^

just thank ranma for his effort and hope he conitine with improvment next time

[tmc21121]

Can we just let this thread die now? It has no purpose anymore. Please and thankyou-end.

[Ilesyt]

Well, I want to add to what LF2K5 said : Fast scanning or slow scanning doesn't count extra points on the quality of a scan, a quickscan cannot be high quality because it's lacking in the time they put in scanning it, meaning they made a quick scan and didn't pay too much attention to the quality, if they take time it won't be a quick scan anymore. And HQ scan take time. so it's a natural.

What does count is the results. You can have, LQ quickscans and very sometimes MQ quickscans, and as for the ones that take time : you can go from LQ, MQ to HQ


It isn't like wine. The aging doesn't give it quality, the detail does.

[tmc21121]

I would give you some rep for that well thought out post that actually makes sense, but I need to spread some more around and I dont feel like it Ilesyt.

[bakaneko]

ur quality great man keep up the good work ^^