Training by Tri Pham

[Tri Pham]

Here's the Naruto one. I hope it's not too dark for you :S I'll have to work on the second one some other time.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/2-9.jpg

[B-One]

A Lot Bettar!!!

[makhan]

yeah, much better, but you cropped too much :p you have to leave as much of the original page as it's possible ;)
try DGM now :]

[mab]

yeah naruto page very good but u can see in naruto title or logo it should have greys and u make them black :p but that does not matter but it will if u see greys should be black XD

[Tri Pham]

Here's the next one.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/Done.jpg

[Anon]

Not bad on DGM either but what happened on the left top corner??

[Tri Pham]

Not bad on DGM either but what happened on the left top corner??

I have no idea. Was trying to use Sponge Tool on that to get rid of the noise or something >.> Did this a couple days ago don't remember lol :P

[real0st]

The lines look too...tattered or something. Not completely smooth. Probably from too much white leveling/black leveling. Don't always follow guides. If anyone ever uses their brains anymore (I'm sure all of us don't use our brains when on the computer) the word "guide" does NOT mean "do exactly what I typed".

Try and eyeball it and compare it to other scans which are rated good. Attempt to achieve those kinds of results and experiment with settings, how much of something you do, etc.

[Odinn]

Oh Nooozzz the dreaded arc, its been over denoised so its hard to see the arc. Dw i've done the same, when the arc is in the pic i say choose a lower setting and do more by hand or like myself do it all by hand

[Tri Pham]

The lines look too...tattered or something. Not completely smooth. Probably from too much white leveling/black leveling. Don't always follow guides. If anyone ever uses their brains anymore (I'm sure all of us don't use our brains when on the computer) the word "guide" does NOT mean "do exactly what I typed".

Try and eyeball it and compare it to other scans which are rated good. Attempt to achieve those kinds of results and experiment with settings, how much of something you do, etc.

I don't exactly follow guides. I just read other people's comments and do what they do [Or at least I try to] and ask my brother for help.

[B-One]

Good, that's the way! Try to change things by yourself also. Tweak around, you'll find your own cleaning road to ride on^^.

[Tri Pham]

What exactly is it that I'm doing here? :P

[real0st]

Cleaning manga is basically making it easier, nicer to read. If you ever look at raws, then scanlations, you'll realize most non-Japanese native speakers go for the scanlations. But there comes the fact that ANYONE can do it. What we're criticizing with other people are quality, and how it could be improved.

[Tri Pham]

Cleaning manga is basically making it easier, nicer to read. If you ever look at raws, then scanlations, you'll realize most non-Japanese native speakers go for the scanlations. But there comes the fact that ANYONE can do it. What we're criticizing with other people are quality, and how it could be improved.

Oh I know that. I meant what am I doing in this Training Workshop.

Here's the One Piece one again.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/OnePiece.jpg

Could somebody give me feedback on the One Piece one?

[Odinn]

yeah, um, u need to clean most if not all the lines... the second and third panels in particular, the pic lost heaps of detail and due to u missing lots of lines in those panel it looks over leveled, maybe get rid of what u can of the black lines at top and bottom but otherwise its good imo dont ask me how mab or makan will take to it.

in short u need to level more lines

[mab]

wow it sucks :p it is very overlevel i would say and there something else u did I dont know what ??? also there is gray in this page where is it xD ?? and add what odinn said too but dont take the its good imo that he said since it is very bad but there is the two things which is good the blacks are blacks and white are white :D but what is the point if the most of the detailed are gone :p

ok here what u will do next time u clean and post pic here
1-post the raw
2-save every step u do like this:
a-crop the page if needed ans save
b-level the page and save and tell us the number u used
c-pass it under neat image and save and tell us the % in the noise dedcation
d-level the page and save and tell us the number u used
e-burn the blacks and save
f-resize and save the final save

so u got 7-8 pages to post next time to see where is the problem u did it is the best way to know what is ur mistakes :D

and yeah here how the page u clean should be :p
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-489/page004.html

[Odinn]

hey i just got back from uni when i posted that and i thought the unleveled parts made the pic look like that but maybe i missed other parts

[mab]

yeah i guess that what he did too but overleveling is the one i think maybe he used the spoong tool alot

yeah i notice something there are still some part which are not cropped well

[Tri Pham]

Wow, mine looks really bad compared to that. How do I make the gray stuff like in the top left and bottom right panel? So I guess I have to burn any spot?

[letsrock0303]

Youre not doin to bad at all Tri Pham. The reason they know you over leveled is bcause of the greys being irradicated in that top left panel. If the grey didn't exist in your raw... get better raws lol. What I would do in a pic like that is use the recatngular marquee tool and select that panel and right click then layer via cut. That way you can level the rest of the page and come back to that panel later.

Are you using a noise reduction software. Cause I haven't seen any sigs of it's use in your scans (except maybe DGM). They are super handy programs and I would suggest getting one. It will make it a lot easier to get your lines looking a bit better.

Also don't be afraid to whip out the pen tool from time to time. Once you master the use of it the pen tool can be your best friend. All in all the clean isn't bad (I see worse get released all the time). Every beginner over levels. So no worries, keep at it.

[Tri Pham]

I worked really hard on this one. I did as mab told me to do and save the order of the stuff I did it on.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/raw.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/LevelAllButTopLeftPanel.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/LevelTopLeftPanel.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/AdjustIimageSizeto1200PixelHeight.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/RemoveText.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/Burn.jpg

[endless]

well, it's better than before
but i think you didn't use any filter, did you?
if you use Neat Image, i think the result will better

[Tri Pham]

What's that ? :S

[The_Vogfather]

yea i was asking that myself..

[letsrock0303]

It looks nice Tri. Much impromeved.

Neat Image is a denoising filter program that works as a plugin for photoshop. Denoising smooths out the specks in your blacks and whites and helps to give you a smoother image. I am sure tere is a tutorial for it's use in the tuts section.

[Tri Pham]

Where do you get Neat Image?

[endless]

you can search it by google :D

here the link
http://www.neatimage.com/download.html

[Tri Pham]

Could you point me towards a tutorial please :D I'm not good with this searching stuff lol.

[Odinn]

theres a subforum in the training forum, found near the top, oh btw 1 of the tutorials had a link which gave you neatimage free enjoy

[Ilesyt]

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557
post 2 by mab, a cracked version is in there, you have to read the some lines before you stumble upon it though, so don't miss out on it.

and here's a thread to learn how http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144

[Tri Pham]

How's it look? First try on Neat Image.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/fini.jpg

[Ilesyt]

well, It's ok, but it's overleveled and there's still dust clearly visible. Lol even I can tell xD

It's clear you haven't burned it yet.

[Tri Pham]

I think I'm improving now! Did this in 20 minutes.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/OP11raw.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/Final.gif

I don't like this one too much, but ok.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/OP10raw.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/TriPham1994/Final2.gif

[endless]

don't forget to crop the pages, Tri
and you over denoised it i think, the gray is too blurry XD
well, good try in 20 minutes :D

[makhan]

it's like endless said, overdenoised for sure >_<
the first thing you should aim for when denoising, is nice grey - you can burn blacks and whites later, but you won't do much to greys if you messed them when denoising

try again ;)

[letsrock0303]

YOu are improving wuite a lot. And the fact that your are developing speed is good. But be careful. If you worry too much about speed you wont get much better at cleaning. Speed comes with practice. When I started it took me 2 hours a page. Now at about the same quality I can do a page in about 20 minutes. And that is simply do to experience and practice. Keep up the good work Tri

[Tri Pham]

What are the "signs" that I should look out for that I over denoised it? I also have demo NI, meaning I can only do 1024x1024 at a time. So I'd have to do it in parts, is there a way to get the full version of NI?