Rosario to Vampire 2 Chapter 26 Discussion

[Lingwe]

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Please use this thread to discuss the content of chapter 26. Looks like it is mostly exposition for next chapter which looks like it will have more to do with the Won family. The part where they all agree to cook together only for the classroom to burst into flames pleased me however.

And Happy New Year to everyone who were smart enough to say that they weren't available for work on New Years Eve!

[GrrDraxin]

Yes, it's a nice chapter sure to bring about many a questions and answering a few that have been plaguing us for some time about Moka and her rosary. The next few chapters will be quite good for this, I'm sure of it.

[TigersDemon]

I just looked over the raw and I do believe this will be a very interesting chapter.

I do wonder how ever what Tsukune really thought about Moka's... cooked...thing...

[Thousandsunnny]

Hmm I had the same thought. I also noticed that Inner Moka looked very cute in this chapter with her fangs sometimes showing.

[Chris38]

Well to me Inner Moka made the cutest smile so far ... and it looks like Tsukune is getting closer and closer to making the ice queen melt completely ... well I think that after that the matter that would need solving is introducing Tsukune to Moka's family ... which knowing a vampire nature could get bloody ( but, maybe I'm just exaggerating things ... and it won't be as bad as I picture it :twitch: ) ..., but maybe at that time Tsukune will be able to take care of himself without Inner Moka's help :)

[thefolenangel]

A new Year present from Franky-House team :)
chp 25 & 26 ~ http://franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10963

[Chris38]

Thanks FolenAngel and everyone who contributed in getting this chapter published.

Anyway chapter 26 is interesting to say the least and it is certainly amusing how much uproar Inner Moka can cause without even trying. Anyway I suspect that Tsukune's seal has a high possibility of breaking in this chapter as well since the main theme of this arc ... also Kurumu and Mizore where extremely funny in this chapter - the "final boss" line cracked me up the most.

I wonder how the Wong siblings know so much about seals , it's a bit suspicious.

Now I just have too wait another month, for the next chapter, but at least the plot seems to be moving again ...again, thanks a lot you guys for you're hard work !!!!!!

[GrrDraxin]

Hmm, if you think about it, that pumpkin pie isn't just a work of inner Moka, but it's also an analogy of herself as well. Rough and hard on the outside, sweet and perfect on the inside.

[Tycho]

fun chapter. I saw something like this coming a mile away, though. the end I mean. unfortunately i'm sensing a lot of influence from the anime lately, it feels like Akihisasama is running low on inspiration. i assume he has some idea how it's going to end, but until then he needs ideas and plot points. to most people those are hard to find after all of your initial ideas are depleted...

that said, I think this is a great plot development, and will ensure this tankobon will not be totally full of fillers.

[T-6000]

Hmm, if you think about it, that pumpkin pie isn't just a work of inner Moka, but it's also an analogy of herself as well. Rough and hard on the outside, sweet and perfect on the inside.

Hmmm........now that you mention it, it does seem kinda like it doesn't it?

Too bad with what had happened to Kokoa, she only gets a few frames and gets carted away. I have a feeling that this is going to become a running gag.

[MidnightTide]

Thats ok about Kokao, don't like her much anyway....could use more Ruby-chan!!

[Tycho]

are you kidding, Rubichan is nothing more than a portal for easy fanservice nowadays. Have you noticed that in EVERY chapter since the end of the last arc she's been in some provocative uniform doing nothing more than acting sexy? I thought they butchered her in the anime, but this is just sad...

(Rubichan was my favorite character until this started...)

[Takeshi]

I don't know why some of you are complaining about characters we finally seen big development on inner moka and your complaining about other characters who have had there shine a long time ago. anyways inner moka and tsukune scenes are awesome in this chapter and now it looks like the author wants the seal to go away now :D yay maybe some how the personalities will combine now :D

[Tycho]

It's true that this was a good chapter for UraMoka, but that's really all there is to sat on that subject. On the other hand, I still have a lot to say on the subject of Rubi-chan and her newfound permiscuity.

I'll spare you the details, but I will say that I find it unlikely that Ura and Omote will combine or any such thing...in a worst case scenario one or both of them might get killed off, but they will remain seperate characters.

[GrrDraxin]

Yeah, to nearly kill a vampire (Kokoa) like that, it just shows that Moka could certainly pull off the Akane Tendo lethal cooking gag with flying colors. But at least in the end, she mostly succeeded in her intended goal, and was very happy when praised about it by the one she desires most.

[Znail]

Rubi-chans hobbies are the funny part of her. She wouldnt be nearly as interesting if she didnt surprice us with some wierdness. Enjoying making and wearing sexy outfits are her more innocent interest too :)

[GrrDraxin]

Very true, at least she enjoys doing that. Could also be her attempt to appeal to Tsukune's otaku side (everybody has one, you know), and have him look at her more. But I like her for her efforts of weird hobbies.

[Chris38]

Very true, at least she enjoys doing that. Could also be her attempt to appeal to Tsukune's otaku side (everybody has one, you know), and have him look at her more. But I like her for her efforts of weird hobbies.

Yeah, Ruby is definitely win when it comes to weird hobbies, well since we are already discussing this, Who do you think is the most decent girl from Tsukune's harem and who is the most perverted one ?

For me it's

1.) Moka ( both personalities )

2.) Ruby ( the chapter when she was "training" with Tsukune is still fresh in my mind )

[snagglepants]

Thank god the story is finally progressing. I doubt the author will ever kill off either inner or outer moka, there will be some alternative.

Also is it just me or was the art really different in this chapter... I know it's been evolving for a while but it really stuck out to me this time...

[the follower 89]

well i just read this latest chapter i and i got to say it was fun to see inner moka's weakness also how she acted on a school day and to know the fact that she i fluent in english, this lack her trade mark round house kick but it was meant to be just for fun, exept in the lat part were we were left whit a cliffhanger, what are they going to do about the seal that is starting to break? what's does fanfan and his sister knows about it? and is moka going to disappear forever?
can't wait for the next chapter :bcw:

oh! by the way i think the mangaka is trying to incorporate anime themes into the manga sience that thing about inner moka being a student was an episode of the anime an also that stsukune will do anything to get outer moka back wich it will happen in the manga too, but i hope he do a better work whit that idea this time

[Tycho]

Well when it comes to R+V, I am I proud anime basher; however, I actually didn't mind this specific part of the anime, for sole reason that it was likely the very first time it put originality and story continuity at a higher priority than fanservice and panty-shots. I like it when an anime can have original situations, instead of exactly imitating the event of it's respective manga.

As for this chapter's relevance to the anime, it is under diferent circumstances, I won't be surprised at all if it unfolds the same way.

[GrrDraxin]

Yeah, Ruby is definitely win when it comes to weird hobbies, well since we are already discussing this, Who do you think is the most decent girl from Tsukune's harem and who is the most perverted one ?

For me it's

1.) Moka ( both personalities )

2.) Ruby ( the chapter when she was "training" with Tsukune is still fresh in my mind )

Well, for what we've seen, Moka handling the decency part is already well known. But I think that the perverse tendencies of the the rest of Tsukune's harem are a bit of a toss up. Kurumu uses her Smothering Breast hug as her indicator that she wants him(along with her forcing him to grope her breasts), Yukari's is her threesome talk, Mizore is her "lets go make babies" lines along with dragging him off. And then there is Ruby with her cosplay and "tie me up" kinkiness, but that's just her way of telling Tsukune that if he ever gets the "urge to merge" she's available to do his naughty bidding.

Of all the harems I've seen, this one is the most horny, and also the most frustrated with being denied those activities. I think even Moka secretly wants him, but not just a piece of him like the others, she wants the whole enchilada.

They all should be very grateful that Tsukune's not a perv like Gin... but then again, if he were to ask if they feel he'd be a better person to them if he turned into a groping pervert for their benefit, would they agree that he'd be better, or disagree, saying that he's good as he is. That discussion would be a very interesting to watch them debating that amongst themselves.

[Chris38]

Well, for what we've seen, Moka handling the decency part is already well known. But I think that the perverse tendencies of the the rest of Tsukune's harem are a bit of a toss up. Kurumu uses her Smothering Breast hug as her indicator that she wants him(along with her forcing him to grope her breasts), Yukari's is her threesome talk, Mizore is her "lets go make babies" lines along with dragging him off. And then there is Ruby with her cosplay and "tie me up" kinkiness, but that's just her way of telling Tsukune that if he ever gets the "urge to merge" she's available to do his naughty bidding.

Of all the harems I've seen, this one is the most horny, and also the most frustrated with being denied those activities. I think even Moka secretly wants him, but not just a piece of him like the others, she wants the whole enchilada.

They all should be very grateful that Tsukune's not a perv like Gin... but then again, if he were to ask if they feel he'd be a better person to them if he turned into a groping pervert for their benefit, would they agree that he'd be better, or disagree, saying that he's good as he is. That discussion would be a very interesting to watch them debating that amongst themselves.

Well, I wouldn't mind that discussion actually taking place in the manga :D, I sort of think that they wouldn't anything that he gives to them if they only could get something from him in return. :)

And yeah I also think that both personalities of Moka secretly have very strong desire to get the whole existence of Tsukune for themselves.
Another thing that I'm guessing is that Moka may also not be as innocent as we think she is ( I'm thinking that is especially true in Inner Moka's case, since she usually "hides" her true "desires" ), it's just that she might be too embarrassed to show it in public ( but, when she will be alone with Tsukune :) things might turn out differently ... then we think right now :D )

[Tycho]

It's not Rubi's fault she's a masochist, you try growing up like her and not thinking of things a bit differently. It's not that I hate the weird hobbies, I just hate that they're being used like this. And no, I do not think she is perverse. I mean jeez, you have ONE orgasm in public (by accident, mind you) and suddenly you're a hentai...I thought that part was funny...

If we're gonna get into who is more perverse, I would actually put Yukari at that top of the list, partly because out of all of them, she has the most vivid fantasies, and partly because she's 13 years old. Nobody's that ecchi at 13 unless they're serious.

Next is Kurumu. Do I really need to explain? Actually based on her actions I would classify her more as a high school whore than as a hentai. Keep in mind that Kurumu is my least favorite of the harem (not including male and/or undead members).

Third is Mizori. Same reason as Kurumu, but I like her more, so she gets better treatment.

I would put Rubi fourth on the list, simply because she is seldom perverse, and when she is she doesn't know it's wrong. That's the fun about Rubi is that she's still trying to adapt to normal culture, and doesn't quite know when she's going too far. I could say more but I'll leave it at that.

Ura and Omote Moka are sixth and fifth on the list, respectively. Neither of them are especially perverse, but Omote is a high school student, so that proves that she has those type of thoughts now and then. Ura is just too stupid and antisocial to be perverted.

[T-6000]

As for this chapter's relevance to the anime, it is under diferent circumstances, I won't be surprised at all if it unfolds the same way.

I'm predicting in the next chapter that while it won't be the same as the last episode of Capu 2, it will draw alot of similarities. While in the last episode of the Anime second season, Tsukune had to get a new Rosary from Moka's dad, I think that if he has to get a new one in the next chapter it'll be from Moka's mom. Moka went to her mother to seal up her vampire side, and I'm thinking that is where Tsukune will go to for a replacement, if he has to get one. And if he does, it'll be seen if Kokoa will interfere or not. Kokoa wasn't nearly as obsessive (and bratty) with Inner Moka as she was in the Anime so I don't believe she'll try to stop Tsukune. But I could be wrong and she'll try. I have a feeling that the 2 Chinese Siblings will play a role, though I am hoping it's minimal at most. I'm sorry, but they are annoying and the less I see of them the happier I am.

[TigersDemon]

well... at worst i guess they could be called annoying... or at best.

its still a toss-up right now with me.

[GrrDraxin]

There are indeed many things going on all at once now, but I personally have had most of my fun trying to classify Tsukune's social standing at the academy. And he's pretty high up there from what Kokoa and Wong have said, being "the number one harem holder of the academy". I'd say that even by youkai standards, that's a pretty impressive title considering who are a part of the harem per say.

[victor]

i been thinking after reading the manga 3 times both seasons since im a making a fan fiction and a big one i will post a link later on.

1. ok so im thinking / wondering was it all planed from the start cause as i recall i might be wrong but humans are not aloud at academe cause the barrier kills them and if not the headmaster should have been able 2 find out...

2. at ending of chapter 26 moka can't change back so im thinking maybe their gona do a total plot switch and switch inner moka role with outer moka kinda doubt doe since thuske (if that is how u spell it ) seems 2 be more attractive 2 the outer even doe shes a illusion.

[Tycho]

Well, first and foremost, it would be huge help if you could use correct grammar and spelling ;) ESPECIALLY if you're writing a fanfiction.

1. The barrier doesn't kill humans, it just stops them from getting to the school without help.

2. I doubt this particular arc will yield any major plot changes, just insight into Moka's past and Ura's true feelings. And, for the record, the only time Omote was cited as being an 'illusion' was in the R+V anime, which I detest and refuse to take as a valid portrayal of Akihisa-sama's vision. As far as I and most here are concerned, Omote's at least as much of a person as any other character in the series.

[victor]

nice and sorry about spelling im still kinda confused with fairy tale.
it's been 2 many chapters since they gotten involved not even little diversion like they dispersed.
also that dude that turns out saving them when they fight seems 2 not be human.

[T-6000]

Well, first and foremost, it would be huge help if you could use correct grammar and spelling ;) ESPECIALLY if you're writing a fanfiction.

1. The barrier doesn't kill humans, it just stops them from getting to the school without help.

2. I doubt this particular arc will yield any major plot changes, just insight into Moka's past and Ura's true feelings. And, for the record, the only time Omote was cited as being an 'illusion' was in the R+V anime, which I detest and refuse to take as a valid portrayal of Akihisa-sama's vision. As far as I and most here are concerned, Omote's at least as much of a person as any other character in the series.

That's one thing that got me wondering in the anime, was the portrayal of the Outer Moka as an illusion. Yet in the Manga they frequently interact with each other, and the Inner Moka has stated several times that the outer moka is still a part of her. And she even berated the outer moka several times and ridiculed her.

Oh, and as for the Barrier it's true that it stops them from getting into the school. But it wouldn't stop anyone from entering the school through a wormhole.

Sorry, had to throw that bit of Science Fiction in there. :D

[victor]

thx what u think of fairy tale whats their purpose

[Tycho]

to me Fairy Tale just sounds like a reincarnation of Anti-Thesis from the first season. I don't get why they made a whole new organization like that...but their goals are the same: destroy anything stopping youkai from slaughtering the human race and taking over the world.

[T-6000]

thx what u think of fairy tale whats their purpose

Well, what little we do know of them is that they aren't interested in peace between humans and yokai. In fact, they want open war between both groups.

[victor]

umm weird how the only appeared at the snow white chapter i thouth they do something.

i have a feeling that were gonna have 2 wait another months for next manga chapter since they released 2 at same time or around like 1-2 days appart.

one last thing i think i know what the wong family wants / has 2 do at the end of chapter 26 i feel their gonna trick tseuske ( i don't know how 2 spell his name ) in telling him they can repair the rosario if he joins them :D :(

[GrrDraxin]

Well Victor, the way to spell Tsukune's name properly is like how the Japanese would do it: TSU-KU-NE (long "E", like nay) so it would kind of sould like: SUE-KUE-NAY, if you were putting it through a voice synthesizer to pronounce it properly.

[T-6000]

one last thing i think i know what the wong family wants / has 2 do at the end of chapter 26 i feel their gonna trick tseuske ( i don't know how 2 spell his name ) in telling him they can repair the rosario if he joins them :D :(

Oh hell, I *hope* not! I wouldn't put it past them to resort to such trickery to get them both to join the mafia. However, if they're gonna be blackmailing Tsukune and Inner Moka, they'd better be extra careful. I don't think Inner Moka is someone who just takes to being blackmailed.

[Tycho]

Nah, Fong-Fong's too busy masturbating about Tsukune to actually make any impact on the story. Unless that was the intended effect until now...and he and his undead sibling are finally about to show their worth!

Either way, I can't say I share T-6000's hatred of the Chinese. They're wacky characters, but they throw in variety, at least, and it's good for Tsukune to have a male character to associate with besides Gin and Captain Lolicon, who are really no more than comic relief characters at this point.

[Znail]

to me Fairy Tale just sounds like a reincarnation of Anti-Thesis from the first season. I don't get why they made a whole new organization like that...but their goals are the same: destroy anything stopping youkai from slaughtering the human race and taking over the world.

Its simple, he couldnt use the details from first season without explaining them again, so instead of boring older readers with a rehash so did he invent a new organisation. He had to reintroduce the entire cast already, so doing the same for their old enemies would mean even more of filler time before any new story could develop.

[victor]

good point but maybe it will be done.

since they are trying pretty much everything 2 make him join.

also tsukune will do pretty much anything 2 protect / get back outer moka.

if this is done it make a huge plot twist and maybe add 5-8 useless chapters of trying 2 get un-blackmail.

[Tycho]

Its simple, he couldnt use the details from first season without explaining them again, so instead of boring older readers with a rehash so did he invent a new organisation. He had to reintroduce the entire cast already, so doing the same for their old enemies would mean even more of filler time before any new story could develop.

I tend to doubt that, the only reason there was a "Season Change" in the first place was because he was switching publications.

Whether or not Fairy Tale is a clone of Anti-Thesis still leaves the fact open that nothing really happened to Anti-Thesis at the end of the first season. Their leader presumably left, along with that dhampir I forgot the name of, but it was implied that there was a considerably large amount of disgruntled Yokai still in the group. And I doubt they joined Fairy Tale, since Fairy Tale is really more of a business, as opposed to Anti-Thesis being like a large gang...

What Akihisa-sama really needs to do now is pull that dhampir dude out of nowhere and randomly throw in some massive plot twist, like "Oshit! If you get injected with vampire blood ONE MORE TIME you'll F*KING TURN INTO ONE!!!" And then have someone beat the shit out of Tsukune...yeah...and Moka will be all "Oh, if I save him he'll become a vampire and hate me!"

BIG MORAL STRUGGLE. Then she saves him, he wakes up, red eyes aglare, then they have hot sex while the rest of the harem watches.

Then Moka dies of Syphilis and Tsukune marries Rubi as an excuse to be an abusive husband, eventually overdosing on meth and dying in horrible pain. Rubi gets shot through a conspiracy by the rest of the former harem, who all get life in prison, including Fong-Fong (who's gotten a sex change by now).

The End!

[Kiba]

Tycho, you should be doing R+V! What you said its what I actually WANT to see happening in the manga :p

[victor]

i second that i pmed him about it he told me he would work on it

big question_-)--- do u think next chapter will not come out this month but the next cause of the double release?

[Tycho]

I see the next chapter showing up within two weeks. The last two weren't actually a double release, it just tooks so long to scanlate 25 that by the time they were done 26 was already out.

And Kiba, you ought to read my fan fiction. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5264965/1/Transfusion) It follows the general theme of my little plot idea (slightly different exposition, and exclude anything after the hot sex (inclusive))

[victor]

thx and why don't you finish it or add some more chapters 2 it's sad 2 see such a great work go to waist

[Tycho]

I'll probably update within the month, I have half of the next chapter done. Just need to find a good way to proceed. Also I've been pretty busy lately, my band is playing more gigs n stuff.

[Kiba]

You fanfiction (at least chapter 1, the one I read) is EXACTLY what I want to see in future chapters... why is the author so blind making R+V a fanservice manga instead of giving us more of what we actually want??

[Tycho]

So you're saying of fan service, you would like the fans to be served?

Anyway, I was actually striving with this one to make it feel like you're reading a text version of the manga, writing style and all. Reviews are good, you know!

[Kiba]

What I meant with "fanservice" = excesiveness of ecchi content. In normal quantities, its quite OK (reaaaaly good~ :p), but when it comes to the level it actually is right now, its like watching the R+V anime (that sucked pretty hard, by the way).

And its pretty obvious why you have such good reviews... you know what R+V fans want to happen in the story (as you, actually, are a R+V fan too), and your grammar is pretty good, so you manage to create an interesting side story full of that content the fans want.

I really liked it. I dare say, I liked it more than I like the current R+V arc as it is now.

[Tycho]

Trust me, I'm quite aware of what fanservice is; that was the pun. I wouldn't go so far as to insult the manga by comparing it to the anime, but the fanservice has increased substantially in recent arcs...

And I'm flattered to hear you say that about my fic, I'm almost inspired to finish the chapter that's been in Limbo for a month now...I might to that this weekend.

[Kiba]

Well, I do admit that the manga hasnt reached the lvl of the anime... not yet, at least. But chapters 25-26 were pretty dissapointing (come on! Ruby used to be a serious character, and now they only put her as "Tsukune´s goth-maschochist doll", dressing her with bunny cosplays taken from Playboy (c. 24), like a nurse with a tight uniform (c. 25), and like a maid (c. 26)).

[Tycho]

THANK YOU!! Rubi was my favorite before that :'( I didn't even mind her weird hobbies, but the now she's completely become a portal for easy fanservice. It sucks.

[Kiba]

Trust me, I understand how you feel :(

In my opinion, I think the best arc until now was the Antithesis one (we could see some serious fighting in those chapters, and Tsukune going in vampire mode and unexpectedly kicking the bad guys ass). Well, the first arc of Fairy Tale (Mizore´s "kidnapping") was also pretty good, but after that... I dunno... I just didnt feel the excitement of the after-chapters as I did with those arcs.

[Chris38]

Well, maybe in chapter 27 we will finally return to the "serious" stuff.

And just to say Kiba I'm a little disappointed with the latest "fillers" as well especially Ruby with her cosplaying seemed a little to much , on the other hand I was happy to see some development in Inner Moka so let's say I have mixed feelings about this arc.

I'm also a bit impaitent about the lack of Tsukune's "vampire" form, I mean I would like for Tsukune to finally kick someone's ass, I want to see how strong he is against a "real" opponent after all I don't think that the Yaukuza gang which Tsukune has beaten up counts ( since he was stronger then them physically), and he couldn't beat the Siren guy from Fairy Tail ( Well, it was nice seeing that Tsukune at least is stronger then before, and is not an a amateur in fighting like he was before ) I mean I'm not suggesting for Tsukune to beat a vampire, becuase I think that level is still out of his reach, but at least he should be able to beat someone strong without anyone's assistance ...

[Kiba]

I'm also a bit impaitent about the lack of Tsukune's "vampire" form, I mean I would like for Tsukune to finally kick someone's ass, I want to see how strong he is against a "real" opponent after all I don't think that the Yaukuza gang which Tsukune has beaten up counts ( since he was stronger then them physically), and he couldn't beat the Siren guy from Fairy Tail ( Well, it was nice seeing that Tsukune at least is stronger then before, and is not an a amateur in fighting like he was before ) I mean I'm not suggesting for Tsukune to beat a vampire, becuase I think that level is still out of his reach, but at least he should be able to beat someone strong without anyone's assistance ...

YES! Now THATS what Im talking about! When beating the yakuza, his eyes didnt even turn red (plus they were normal humans); and he didnt stand a chance with the fairy tale siren if he hadnt had assistance.

And I agree that the develop of Inner Moka´s feelings certainly gave some "spice" to the last chapter; however, I think I am still not satisfied with just that.

[victor]

same i guess thats why we like tycho fan fiction story so much.

i really liked how they gave inner moka her own chapter about time but maybe then need 2 work on tsukune ability like he actually becomes a vampire or something around it.

they also stops adding so much eechi 2 it kinda kills the plot.

i still think the fong fong mafias gonna do something like black mail tsukune by telling him about a new rosario and only if he joins and sht

[Chris38]

I think that the one who is going to be more concerned about the seal is Inner Moka, of course Tsukune is going to be a bit worried too, but well I kind of think that due to the influence of the vampire blood flowing in his veins. I'm not saying that he doesn't love Moka's Outer personality anymore, it's just that his more focused on Inner Moka now then Outer Moka ( It might be, because of the "demand" Inner Moka has forced on Tsukune - That he would have to "conquer" her first and Tsukune looked a bit freaked out after Inner Moka said that, but if you look now on the relationship Inner Moka has with Tsukune now, he doesn't seem as scared of Inner Moka as he was before, maybe because Tsukune started to understand Inner Moka's character a little more then before. )

Well anyway I don't think that Inner Moka and Tsukune will be blackmailed so easily by the Wong siblings, because they also might have another source of information coming from the headmaster ( I'm not saying that they should also trust the headmaster, but at least he isn't trying to make Tsukune and Moka join a crime syndicate ( well ... at least he didn't seem like that ).

What I wonder more about is will we finally get more information about Moka's family. I mean I think it was mentioned before, that it was Moka's mother who developed the techniques which allowed Moka to be sealed by the Rosario. Then wouldn't that mean that she is the one who knows what happened to Moka's seal and how to fix it ? Well another plus is that we would finally know how one of Moka's parents regards Tsukune's and Moka's relationship. :) :D

[GrrDraxin]

Indeed. There is also that the time Tsukune spent training with Moka, he came to understand her better and learn more about her. I'd hate to say it in such a cliche way, but I think that in a way Moka was also communicating with Tsukune with a rather unconventional method, besides the dreams and her words of wisdom she'd say every so often, but, perhaps though the physical riggers of training, she instilled into him a few ways that she could use to subtly get him to do or say things that would eventually lead him to her.

That fact that during the Sun arc, he "remembered" the way Moka fights, and also remembers what she said to him during their training about following through with his feelings. The fact that he remembered those things FIRST, kind of puts some credibility into that perspective.

I'd have to say, that out of all the girls, inner Moka has had the greatest influence on him. Outer Moka being the more "pleasant" side to be around does have many advantages, like being a good cook (unlike inner Moka), but also excels at other domestic chores that inner Moka probably wouldn't really enjoy doing. Where as inner Moka is not so easy to be around until you get to know her, and is far more secretive and assertive about things she wants, and her skill set is somewhat different from her outer persona. I won't say "more practical" because that's subjective depending on the situation at hand.

But as we're seeing, the gap between the two is rather rapidly closing, but it looks like it's inner Moka doing the moving rather than outer Moka. As long as inner Moka continue adopting outer's personality traits and skills, we may eventually see a full on merger of the two personalities, at least if the two become so alike that it starts becoming redundant, only then will we see the end of Outer Moka.

As to why I'm ranting on this... I blame Tenchi.... or rather his half brother Kenchi. I just got done watching the tenth episode raw of Saint Knight's Tale (Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari), So while looking up more info, I came across in interesting quote, saying that the creator of the Tenchi series will NOT have Tenchi choose any of the girls in his household, mostly because it's fine as it is.

And it is this idea that I think permeates the R+V story as well. Why SHOULD Tsukune choose when things are just fine as they are right now? Well, at least he has at least one of his group that he favors if and when things get to that point. But it's the journey getting there is why we like this series. At least, that's why I follow it. Of course, most, if not all of you have heard this all before, but for those who haven't, well... there ya go.

Anyway, now that is out of my system, I can now go back to being a contented spectator.

[Chris38]

Well the other advantage of the training I see is that now Inner Moka also started to understand Tsukune more then before, this might also be the one of the reasons why she started to open herself more to Tsukune. Anyway I sort of see that Tsukune and Moka's relationship is one of the factors that are important in the main plot. I don't know if Tsukune's relationship with the other girls would be so important, because I think that in this series vampires are considered solitary beings.

Now, I know that Tsukune is now longer a human, but he is still considered as one ... and as we all know one of the Academy's goal's is to coexist with humans, so what would be the reaction in the Youkai world if it was spread around that a human has gotten together with a vampire and is even able to maintain a healthy relationship with the vampire in question.

And as Wong Fong Fong has provided evidence that Tsukune has gotten himself quite a reputation in the youkai underworld, so what do you think could happen if someone ( the Headmaster ) let's it slip that Tsukune is "partially" human it could also bring some change ...

Ups, ... it seemed I got a bit carried away, sorry ... anyway what I wanted to mention is that Inner Moka also gained something from her training sessions with Tsukune and that might be one of the reasons why she started to show more of her "dere" side. Which, as we saw in chapter 26 can make her look quite kawaii.

[victor]

wow not bad really make me think about it.

umm i guess the only way really answer this 2 wait for the next chapter.
i hope is not a useless chapter u guys have any suggestion of anime/ manga thats like rosario vampire? if u do post a reply thx

[weview]

These filler chapters may continue for a bit as we learn a little more about the Wong family but interesting development with Moka. I personally dislike this transition in trying to make Inner Moka seem easier to live with and in my opinion, Outer Moka has become less of a character and more of an annoying form who states the obvious.

To Love Ru is quite similar - it even has a pink haired main girl. Princess Lover is also alright. If you're talking about monster stories, I'm sure someone else can fill you in. But To Love Ru and Princess Lover are similar in terms of harem/romance. I also found an anime called Sola which I love to bits hence my lack of posting on here lately :)

[Kiba]

Well, I think Omamori Himari is what you are looking for: Harem, romance, tons of ecchi, a weak guy as the protagonist that has to be saved by his harem, but that actually has a power (that he doesnt control very well), so powerful that "monsters" (yes, there are youkai too) target his life, but when he unleashes his power, its like "Ohhh shit, run for your life" and stuff.

[MidnightTide]

this anime season is kind of weak - especially since Crunchyroll is streaming everything (with their crap subs)

[hawleyaw]

I'd go with Sekirei a total loser gets caught in a game to have the last partner alive wins. Minato is smart, but he still failed the college exams twice, because of the pressure. Not only that, he isn't good with women and he's also unemployed.
Minato's life had been awful, since he was a loser, until a beautiful big- boobed girl comes flying from the sky, (literally), and falls on him. After that it get very funny and eventually turns into a harem.

Genres: Action (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Action/), Comedy (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Comedy/), Ecchi (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Ecchi/), Harem (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Harem/), Mature (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Mature/), Romance (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Romance/), Seinen (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Seinen/), Supernatural (http://www.mangafox.com/search/genres/Supernatural/)

[GrrDraxin]

I think there might even be a second season anime of that starting soon too. I liked Sekirei, and it's anime does follow the manga fairly closely, but since there hasn't been much of the manga to be seen, I can understand there being fillers and a open end for the first season. Hopefully its a faithful rendition.

Omamori Himari looks great too. The manga is one I follow almost as closely as R+V. I just hope they don't do the same off canon fillers and cranked up fanservice that the R+V anime did, the Omamori Himari manga had more than enough of that to go around, the anime for that doesn't need to turn that nob up to 11, it's fine at 9 as is.

[victor]

wow thx for suggestions
i found a good one named maburaho which i enjoyed alot keep them coming :D

[Znail]

The main plot of R´V being the relationship between Tsukune and Moka can develop fine even if its a filler type of chapter. It doesnt have to be totaly focused on them for progress to be made. Its a case of chopping a tree often enuff and there have been some chopping done in almost every chapter lately so we are doing fine on the progress.

And for the suggestions so have I read and seen all mentioned so far :)

One other manga that realy reminds me of R+V storywise is Mx0, sadly it ends a bit prematurely, but is a good read as long as it lasts.

But there are realy too many good animes and mangas around to list em all.

[MidnightTide]

Sekerie season 2 has already been announced, believe it is this upcoming summer.

[Tycho]

Wow, I'm also really behind on this thread, as well...

I have to say, I LOVE Sekirei, the anime AND the manga.

I sort of liked To-LOVE-Ru (didn't watch the anime), but once you read the end it sort of destroys it for you. Don't bother explaining to me the story, I know the mangaka had some shit happen, but that doesn't change that it was a shitty ending that ruined the whole manga for me.

I haven't read Omamori Himari, but that's probably next on my list (I'm between manga right now)

Also, I actually thought up a sort-of-sequel to Transfusion (my fic), so I'm gonna wrap it up now so I can get organized for the next one. The next chapter's mostly done.

[hawleyaw]

Wow, I'm also really behind on this thread, as well...

I have to say, I LOVE Sekirei, the anime AND the manga.

I sort of liked To-LOVE-Ru (didn't watch the anime), but once you read the end it sort of destroys it for you. Don't bother explaining to me the story, I know the mangaka had some shit happen, but that doesn't change that it was a shitty ending that ruined the whole manga for me.

I know that made me upset that To-LOVE-Ru ended, the mangaka's wife sued him for the rights of a character based on her and he knew she would never give up so he just gave up and let her have the character. After that he quit and the manga ended horribly.

[Tycho]

I...I said I knew what happened...

Also I am genuinely surprised that Haruna-chan was based on such a bitch. I guess he sort of got his revenge, though, since in the end Haruna-chan was the only one who didn't get an 'I love you' from Rito. Of course that sucks for me, since Haruna was my second favorite character (I still love you, Oshizu-chan!), and my favorite out of Rito's suitors.

[hawleyaw]

I...I said I knew what happened...

Also I am genuinely surprised that Haruna-chan was based on such a bitch. I guess he sort of got his revenge, though, since in the end Haruna-chan was the only one who didn't get an 'I love you' from Rito. Of course that sucks for me, since Haruna was my second favorite character (I still love you, Oshizu-chan!), and my favorite out of Rito's suitors.

I know u knew but other people didn't. I don't see how you could sue someone for a character that doesn't make any sense to me. I really liked the manga but I agree I really couldn't believe Haruna my favorite sutor was based on a bitch like that.:Listen_here:

[victor]

wow i did not anime had such history 2 be honest i saw the anime of to-love-ru and at binning i was ok but then it was like the same thing over and over again and the ending got me mad cause it pretty much was a f u. in all i give it a 2/5 it had poor plot and if u have any good anime that has some ecchi romance some supernatural stuff like rosario vampire plz post a reply i will really appreciate it and thanks for those who posted already a response appreciate it :D.

[GrrDraxin]

Well my boy Victor, you can start with this: AnimeSuki Series Listing (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php) (anime), and this Onemanga's manga directory (http://www.onemanga.com/directory/) (manga). And if that isn't enough: Manga Fox's manga directory (http://www.mangafox.com/directory/) (manga).

I recommend just working your way around randomly, and bookmarking the ones you like, AND listing them in a text file so you can remember the names of the series you've read, and/or are reading at any given time.


Just to start off with

Saint Knight's Tale(Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari) (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1387.html)
Kiddy Girl-and (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1040.html)
Omamori Himari (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1563.html)
Nyan Koi! (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1513.html)
Hatsukoi Limited (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1424.html)
Pandora Hearts (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1374.html)
Ladies versus Butlers! (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1562.html)

[hawleyaw]

wow i did not anime had such history 2 be honest i saw the anime of to-love-ru and at binning i was ok but then it was like the same thing over and over again and the ending got me mad cause it pretty much was a f u. in all i give it a 2/5 it had poor plot and if u have any good anime that has some ecchi romance some supernatural stuff like rosario vampire plz post a reply i will really appreciate it and thanks for those who posted already a response appreciate it :D.

try Sekirei (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sekirei/)or Omamori Himari (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/omamori_himari/) or Mahou Sensei Negima (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/)
or Aflame Inferno (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/aflame_inferno/)

thats all I got click the links for info

[victor]

wow thanks ur all a big help u probably noticed im new 2 anime in a way i always watched some random episodes on adultswim but never realy got into it till now thanks again :D

im watching sekirei which is awesome so far

[Mokafan3025]

These filler chapters may continue for a bit as we learn a little more about the Wong family but interesting development with Moka. I personally dislike this transition in trying to make Inner Moka seem easier to live with and in my opinion, Outer Moka has become less of a character and more of an annoying form who states the obvious.


I find it logical that's she's mellowing out some. I think part of the reason she was so aloof and distant is due to the way other races regard vampires, and shun them at every turn. She never expected to get close to others, thus never made any honest attempts except when sealed.

And along comes some goofball Human kid, who was raised in an environment of kindness, who accepted her for who she was. He didn't care that she was a vampire. And through him, she befriends girls of other races. Moka finally belonged, and was no longer some sort of pariah.

I personally believe that the outer personality voices what the inner side feels. It's just that, in her true form, her aristocratic upbringing (and hatred of rejection) makes her a little more reserved and slower to express herself. But thanks to her friends, the ice is fast thawing. And it appears that she has accepted that she has feelings for Tsukune, and is starting to be a little more open about it. It's good that the "vampire valkyrie" is actually developing into a likable person, and not just a fighting machine to bail the group out of bad situations.

It's refreshing, in my opinion.

[Chris38]

I find it logical that's she's mellowing out some. I think part of the reason she was so aloof and distant is due to the way other races regard vampires, and shun them at every turn. She never expected to get close to others, thus never made any honest attempts except when sealed.

And along comes some goofball Human kid, who was raised in an environment of kindness, who accepted her for who she was. He didn't care that she was a vampire. And through him, she befriends girls of other races. Moka finally belonged, and was no longer some sort of pariah.

I personally believe that the outer personality voices what the inner side feels. It's just that, in her true form, her aristocratic upbringing (and hatred of rejection) makes her a little more reserved and slower to express herself. But thanks to her friends, the ice is fast thawing. And it appears that she has accepted that she has feelings for Tsukune, and is starting to be a little more open about it. It's good that the "vampire valkyrie" is actually developing into a likable person, and not just a fighting machine to bail the group out of bad situations.

It's refreshing, in my opinion.

Well I like it too Mokafan, it's a nice change from how Inner Moka is usually portrayed, so it's nice knowing that she still has feelings and isn't as impossible to conquer by Tsukune, like we thought at the beginning.

Truthfully what would make my day is if we finally got some development in the case of Tsukune and his vampire power's ... I mean how long do we have to wait until Tsukune will show us the full extent of his vampire abilities ??

[hawleyaw]

Truthfully what would make my day is if we finally got some development in the case of Tsukune and his vampire power's ... I mean how long do we have to wait until Tsukune will show us the full extent of his vampire abilities ??
I want to see Tsukune's powers get beter. Currently its focusing more on the physical part. Its not so much anymore training powers but just fighting style..kinda boring. What happened to the good parts when he used his powers he had the glassy eyes and it seemed like he wasn't even their but someone else fighting like his powers were a mind of its own that was the cool parts.

[T-6000]

I find it logical that's she's mellowing out some. I think part of the reason she was so aloof and distant is due to the way other races regard vampires, and shun them at every turn. She never expected to get close to others, thus never made any honest attempts except when sealed.

From what I have read, Vampires are distant because they regard other races as weaker and inferior. In the last chapter, the other Yokai of the academy definitely didn't show any sign of fear, they were more memorized with Inner Moka's beauty and intelligence. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised she didn't get in trouble for staying in her true form in the school for so long. Anyways, I too would like to see Tsukune's strength develop some more but as a male lead in a harem he still possesses alot of physical strength and can hold his own in a fight unlike alot of male leads in many harem stories.

[Chris38]

From what I have read, Vampires are distant because they regard other races as weaker and inferior. In the last chapter, the other Yokai of the academy definitely didn't show any sign of fear, they were more memorized with Inner Moka's beauty and intelligence. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised she didn't get in trouble for staying in her true form in the school for so long. Anyways, I too would like to see Tsukune's strength develop some more but as a male lead in a harem he still possesses alot of physical strength and can hold his own in a fight unlike alot of male leads in many harem stories.

I know and if you remember at the beginning Tsukune was similar to other male leads in other harem stories, before he got blood injections from Moka - which makes me wonder how did Inner Moka feel when she was injecting her blood into Tsukune, anyway could the fact that Tsukune has Moka's blood flowing through his veins ( partially, at least - we don't know what happened to his "human" blood ) has some sort of meaning for vampires in this manga - maybe something like marriage or some other things like that :D :)

So what I wanted to say is that one of the reasons why I like this manga so much is because we have the transformation of Tsukune from a normal guy into a badass.

[victor]

does anybody know around what days the chapter come out?

[Chris38]

I think that usually it comes near the third day of each month, for example chapter 27 is probably going to come out on the third of February (03.02.2010), unless we will get a early release like with chapter 26. :)

[Tycho]

So what I wanted to say is that one of the reasons why I like this manga so much is because we have the transformation of Tsukune from a normal guy into a badass.

I also like this manga very much for that reason, among others. I am a little upset at recent chapters where his transformation has taken sort of a back seat. What we need, as I said a few times earlier in this and other threads, is for someone to randomly come out of nowhere and kick Tsukune's ass. Then Moka can save him and his transformation can yet again be catalyzed, preferably to the point where he grows fangs and becomes bloodthirsty. Then life would be fun.

I sense lot's of deep vampire talk in the coming chapters, with any luck we can at least see a preamble to my little prediction, though if it were going to happen it probably won't be at least till the 35th chapter or so.

And as for the next chapter, I'd say somewhere near the end of the month. It'll be while, bud.

[Chris38]

I also like this manga very much for that reason, among others. I am a little upset at recent chapters where his transformation has taken sort of a back seat. What we need, as I said a few times earlier in this and other threads, is for someone to randomly come out of nowhere and kick Tsukune's ass. Then Moka can save him and his transformation can yet again be catalyzed, preferably to the point where he grows fangs and becomes bloodthirsty. Then life would be fun.

I sense lot's of deep vampire talk in the coming chapters, with any luck we can at least see a preamble to my little prediction, though if it were going to happen it probably won't be at least till the 35th chapter or so.

And as for the next chapter, I'd say somewhere near the end of the month. It'll be while, bud.

Well, for one thing this someone has to be quite strong, because he would have to also beat Tsukune in his vampire form, it's not like I'm criticizing you because I'm also disappointed ( as you can probably tell about the lack of development in Tsukune's transformation), but I kind of see another scenario that can be pulled out ... I mean if Tsukune's Holy Lock breaks wont it give the same "result" as the one described above Tycho ?

[Tycho]

To the best of our allowed knowledge, if his lock is removed he'll go on an homicidal rampage and Moka will have to go all extreme-SnM punishment on his ass. As for a decent competitor, I'd say they should call back Kiria the Dhampir or Hakuto the former-human (think those are their names, too lazy to check). Seems like they could probably do some damage to Tsukune.

And when I say bloodthirsty I am taking a literal approach to the phrase. Like "thirsty for blood".

[Chris38]

Well if we talk about what we know so far then you're right, well I kind of think that when the seal disappears on it's own ( breaks) it's not going to automatically mean that, as you called it Tycho, Tsukune goes on a homicidal rampage and Moka would have to kick his ass.

I mean the way I see it is that the only reason why Tsukune went on a rampage in the Ghoul arc and the Doppelganger is because he couldn't control the power of the vampire blood, so with the lock sealing his vampire blood, Tsukune's body has started experiencing changes inside his body ... which means that Tsukune's body has started to adapt to the vampire blood flowing through his veins ( which explains the changes Tsukune has started to experience), the only question I have got ( and probably not only me ;)) is what Tsukune is going to become in the end ... but I think that after some time, Tsukune won't be needing the lock anymore and would be still able to use his vampire abilities, since I don't think the Exorcist would even bother with rescuing Tsukune if the seal hasn't given Tsukune some other options rather then becoming a homicidal maniac ...

And on the option of who should become the competitor I would rater see Kiria in this role, since we already know a lot about Hokuto's power's, while Kiria still remains a mystery ( since he was never shown fighting someone seriously).

[Tycho]

Aye, aye...you ought to read my fanfiction (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5264965/1/Transfusion), sounds like you would like it.

(I'm not trying to advertise myself here, I seriously think you might like it...and I'm trying to advertise mys--wait, NO, LIES! Don't listen, it's a trick!)

Uuuh...:Hi: < "Read it or I'll die!"

[Chris38]

Aye, aye...you ought to read my fanfiction (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5264965/1/Transfusion), sounds like you would like it.

(I'm not trying to advertise myself here, I seriously think you might like it...and I'm trying to advertise mys--wait, NO, LIES! Don't listen, it's a trick!)

Uuuh...:Hi: < "Read it or I'll die!"

Well I only read the first chapter for now, but I think I'm going to read the rest since just from the first chapter I got "sucked" into it if you know what I
mean :D

Well maybe something like what happened in chapter 1 of you're story will start happening in the manga, but ... it's probably impossible ... but,well who knows where the original story will go :)

EDIT: Well I read it all in one go, nice one Tycho ... the only complaint I have is that I hope could read the rest of you're story :) ;) :D

[Mokafan3025]

To the best of our allowed knowledge, if his lock is removed he'll go on an homicidal rampage and Moka will have to go all extreme-SnM punishment on his ass. As for a decent competitor, I'd say they should call back Kiria the Dhampir or Hakuto the former-human (think those are their names, too lazy to check). Seems like they could probably do some damage to Tsukune.

And when I say bloodthirsty I am taking a literal approach to the phrase. Like "thirsty for blood".

I don't think that Kiria would be much of match. Unless he has some surprises we don't know about yet.

But Hakuto? Definitely.

From what I have read, Vampires are distant because they regard other races as weaker and inferior. In the last chapter, the other Yokai of the academy definitely didn't show any sign of fear, they were more memorized with Inner Moka's beauty and intelligence. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised she didn't get in trouble for staying in her true form in the school for so long. Anyways, I too would like to see Tsukune's strength develop some more but as a male lead in a harem he still possesses alot of physical strength and can hold his own in a fight unlike alot of male leads in many harem stories.

A little of both, actually. Yukari once referred to vampires as a "snobbish race". And Ruby's mistress mentioned that vampires were feared and shunned because of their power. In the minds of many Youkai, it appears that Vampires and Humans are two sides of the same coin. At least, that what I got out of the first season manga, as a whole.

I'm not surprised by the reactions to Moka by the student body. Youkai Academy has many races living and studying together. It's bound to have changed a lot of attitudes. I guess in order to achieve the goal of positive co-existence with Humanity, the races of Youkai have to learn to co-exist peacefully amongst themselves first.

Besides, what horny teen monster dude wouldn't let a hawt vampire chick nibble on their neck? :heh: :eyebrows:

[GrrDraxin]

Mokafan, just so you know this, but double posting is frowned upon here. If you will, please cut and paste your above post into the previous one using the EDIT button on those posts, and then delete the second uneeded post.

Anyway, yes these monsters are indeed closer to being human than they'd like to believe because of their tastes in the opposite sex, even if their true forms are not anything close to human, they seem to still find the human form attractive, which vampires seem to epitomize the utmost beauty thereof.

[T-6000]

Anyway, yes these monsters are indeed closer to being human than they'd like to believe because of their tastes in the opposite sex, even if their true forms are not anything close to human, they seem to still find the human form attractive, which vampires seem to epitomize the utmost beauty thereof.

And that is what I find strange in R+V, that monsters of different species are attracted to Human Males or Females, depending on the gender. Then again, now that I think about it, it was very common for Yokai to be attracted to humans for mates in alot of traditional Japanese stories. In fact, there's a famous story of a Yuki Onna who married a human man and had kids with him (and when he discovered her Yokai Nature she threatened him to take care of their kids.....or else!), and there are several stories of Kitsune women falling for a human man and marrying him. This is also common in Western legends, where monsters fall for Human Men/Women.

[Tycho]

Of course in Western legends I literally have yet to find a monster of any kind that has a personality other than 'purely evil, maniacal, and mischievious'. Western legends suck because everything from that area and that period was monopolized by the church, and half the stories were created to promote Christianity. Japanese legends are awesome because they have the capacity to give their spirits and yokai more actual personallity. This is because their primal religion revolved around spirits, benevolent and otherwise (everything from plants to rocks ro dirt had it's own spirit, as did things like houses, towns, and other man-made things). Actually, according to the stories, the original yokai were born from disgruntled spirits (this is a theme I intend to incorperate in my next story, actually).

[ff nut]

Hi All how have you been long time no see, i thought it was time for my quarterly checkup to see whats been going on have i missed much :p

on a related note although I am jumping in here and have not read back, (as I am lazy and its midnight), on any of the pages but with the topic of youkai being attracted to a human i believe is tool used to get the reader to be able to associate with the character. Generally when we associate with items/people/morals we deem are similar to ourselves we tend to grow more attached to them to a point where we will actually care about them. This can then give rise to opinions forming debates starting due to different opinion's helping to solidify the story in people's memories. The less talked about ones will just be forgotten over time, if people had trouble relating to a ficticious species compared to human like themselved who fell in love with a fictitious species then it is likely they will forget about the monster only version over time but remember the human monster version, when they retell the story to the younger generation well you get the picture, seeming alot of modern stories have roots and influences from older stories probably helps enhance this trend in modern day media.

Tycho does have a point about the western stories though, the Church kind of raped the idea of anything special other than God and if one existed; worked damn hard to make society shun labeling everything as heathens or the devil (¬_¬) they found out that killing it with fire made people scared if only we could go back in time and give them fire retardent gell or something XD

anyways enough of my ranting and nonsense im going to bed :p