Rosario+Vampire Chapter 24 Discussion

[GrrDraxin]

Chapter 24

Well, lucky us that it came out before November.

Raw Here (http://www.sendspace.com/file/g7or5y)

Warning; spoilers ahead.

This chapter sees a return of Won Fanfan, but this chapter brings in his... sister? And the timing couldn't be more perfect as the school is holding a sports festival. Even Mizore and Kurumu's mothers come to partake in the festivities.

Unfortunately, thing go to hell in a hand basket when the Won family underlings participate in the events, and to call them cheaters would be quite the understatement. Explosives a plenty.

Seems to me that like what Won was doing the previous chapter, this ends up having Tsukune's future on the line, again. Things really get hectic after Moka and Tsukune's lunch together gets ruined by the underlings, a meal BOTH Mokas' worked hard to prepare.

The final event is the Calvary War, with one person the mount and other on their shoulders. Inner Moka and Tsukune make a fashionably late entry and truly earn the title Won had given them in the last chapter as the Invincible Partners.

One thing I find funny is that everyone is really creeped out by Won's sister's antics of literally removing her head from her shoulders. I kept asking why. They all monsters. They SHOULD be used to that kind of thing.Hope Lingwe will be on this soon. This is certainly a humorous chapter that could easily fit in the anime.

[weview]

This thread is appearing as 'Rosario+Vampire Chapter 23' at the moment. It looks good. Haven't read the spoiler but I'm wondering why Moka has a tophat, Ruby is a bunny and where Tsuara comes into this

[T-6000]

Did anyone notice how in page 3 Sensei Nekenomei was a bit.....errrr.....exited? :noprob: Ehhehe, I'll leave it to that.
The girls sure looked good in their gym outfits. And Ruby in a bunny outfit? I guess even old fashion traditional witches are forced into the typical Japanese Anime/Manga cliches. I wonder what the girls from the Charmed series would think? I also didn't expect the mothers to return in this chapter, but Mizore's mother came with a rifle?! Holy hell, we've gotta play a few matches of Battlefield Bad Company 2 together! And towards the end of the chapter, it looked like Tsukune was angry with everyone there. First time I saw him that mad. O.O

You know what? This chapter is so full of crazy antics (packed with fanservice), my head is starting to hurt. I think I'll sit down here on this nearby stump.

[Kiba]

Oh yes! How sweet, another R+V chapter.... The mangaka is being unusually fast with these two last chapters, dont you agree?

[Yasu]

I can't wait until this chapter is translated.

I couldn't believe the fact that Ruby is going to be dressed up in a bunny's outfit in this chapter. I was initially thinking: "What the hell?," when I saw the picture of Ruby dressed up in such an outfit. We all know that she likes to be seen as Tsukune's toy, but come on here. I guess everyone wants to be a playboy bunny sometime in their lives.

Yes, the mother's make another appearance in this series. I am wondering what Yukari's mother is going to do now that she has been brought back to the academy for a while. Kurumu's and Mizore's mother's look as beautiful as ever.

Inner Moka in a top hat, now that was a sight worth to seeing.

And I don't mean to be offensive here, but Wong's sister hardly looked all that much different from Wong himself.

[Tycho]

Oh, great, more fanservice...the anime was nothing BUT fanservice, and look how that turned out. I hope to God the mangaka doesn't go overboard on that shit, or this wonderful series is ****ed.

Anyway, me being Japanese-illiterate, I am not going to view the chapter before the translation is set. That said, from what I've heard, it sounds like more random antics to help balance the seriousness that's been consuming the last few chapters. Sounds interesting, it's continuing in a classic R+V manner, at least. I will chime in more once I've actually read the chapter.

(Why, Ruby?! Why!?) <-- Ruby == favorite R+V char...until now...

[T-6000]

Oh, great, more fanservice...the anime was nothing BUT fanservice, and look how that turned out. I hope to God the mangaka doesn't go overboard on that shit, or this wonderful series is ****ed.

Anyway, me being Japanese-illiterate, I am not going to view the chapter before the translation is set. That said, from what I've heard, it sounds like more random antics to help balance the seriousness that's been consuming the last few chapters. Sounds interesting, it's continuing in a classic R+V manner, at least. I will chime in more once I've actually read the chapter.

(Why, Ruby?! Why!?) <-- Ruby == favorite R+V char...until now...

I do agree with you that too much crazy random antics and fanservice could ruin the series. IMHO this was one of the reason why the anime was mediocre (and even downright terrible in the second season) for me, and I hope that the manga doesn't follow suit. In fact, this chapter resembled the anime alot. Also, I really can't find a logical reason as to why Ruby was in a bunny suit in this chapter, other than fanservice. Maybe I'm just too use to the serious tone from the second half of the first season. Hopefully the next chapter will be more serious and have some actual plot development.

[Lingwe]

A chapter should be released by Franky House soon, although another translator has done it for this month. I'll explain whats going on later on as I need to work some things out.

[GrrDraxin]

No problem Lingwe, We understand.

[Znail]

Eagerly looking forward to the translation. This chapter is a biit confusing and less obvious from just looking at the pictures to realy understand what is going on.

[weview]

I think that they've forgotten how to make it fun to read without fanservice and crazy antics. A theme that seems to be gone is how Tsukune would narrate how things are going and how he feels about Moka. Now he voices his opinion on all of the girls and narrates very little.

Still, while I nitpick, eagery anticipating this chapter :Jump_Roll:

[Yellowdorkfish]

Look forward to the Translation, looks interesting.

[TigersDemon]

looks like fanservice.

not pleased if it continues in this manner. not pleased at all.

then again, I havent seen it yet so... I dont really have an oppion yet.

however it does look hilarous.

[katnight]

Looking at the raw it struck me as another fluff chapter. As for the fan service I guess there is some but it is no where near the level of the anime. But then am a girl so I'm always paying attention to Tsukune than the girls.

[thefolenangel]

scanlation ~ http://franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10713

[GrrDraxin]

That damn woman gets in as a third year, just to make more trouble. I guess Tsukune could be considered a borderline undead creature being a Ghoul, if that woman and her cohorts are true undead creatures. Youkai really can reach beyond life and death.

Ah, but that sets up the next chapter as being more fluff. But too bad there was no winner, I'd liked to see Moka and them tricking Tsukune into a shared bathing hot spring with them.

[lonercs]

One thing to wrap this whole experience up. NEVER, FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR SELF, EVER RUIN A LUNCHBOX MADE BY INNER-MOKA...EVER! That and 2/3 mothers are will both break you and make your day.


EVER!

[Tycho]

It was entertaining, to say the least, but, as I suspected, there was a lot of fanservice injected here and there (Nekonome's poppers, Rubi's whore outfit, Gin's pleasant conversation with Karate-man). I know some people like fanservice, and 'random antics', as they seem to have suddenly been labeled, are entertaining in the short term, but too much of either, or both, can really screw a manga/anime series.

Anyway, yeah, I liked it, minus the aforementioned manga-killers. As a chapter, I thought it was fun. Tsukune and co needed a diversion, things are too serious lately, and an event like this seems fitting. There seems to be a recurrence of a common theme in recent chapters: Kurumu, Mizore, and Yukari expressing interest in Tsukune, until the opportunity arises to sell him out to aid their own ventures. Though in the last one, Tsukune was their own venture, but I think the status remains.

In any case, an entertaining chapter is an entertaining chapter, at least until they get boring. Can't wait for the next one.

[T-6000]

Was it just me or was Kokoa being a real bitch in this chapter? The girls cheered her on, and she snubs them! She does act a bit arrogant, but she never acted like a complete bitch. Well, her anime version did.

[Znail]

I actualy found Kokoa to be less bitchy then usual as despite her protests so was she fired up by the cheering.

[weview]

Found the uses of bombs a bit zany but what can you expect from zombies showing up at a bloomers-clad sports day

[T-6000]

I was actually a bit surprised to see one of those bombs take out Kokoa. I mean, she's strong enough to uproot trees with her bare hands, and yet a single bomb takes her out? Then again, maybe she's one of those characters that are real strong but can't endure as much damage.

[weview]

Well the explosion would burn anybody badly. She couldn't really use her power to prevent. In fact, her eyes went flying

[GrrDraxin]

This thus illustrates why modern technology would be more of a match against youkai. If simple bombs like those can take out Kokoa and most of the other youkai, imagine what guns could do? Most youkai specialize in close quarter combat were as human weapons specialize in ranged attacks and traps.

Though, Kokoa probably wasn't prepared for that bomb either, because there is no youki or killing intent involved with the use of that kind of weapon. If that zombie tried taking a swipe at her in a physical combat maneuver, then she could have dodged easily. So, Kokoa was at a disadvantage just as anyone would be when stepping on a land mine.

[Thousandsunnny]

Though, Kokoa probably wasn't prepared for that bomb either, because there is no youki or killing intent involved with the use of that kind of weapon. If that zombie tried taking a swipe at her in a physical combat maneuver, then she could have dodged easily. So, Kokoa was at a disadvantage just as anyone would be when stepping on a land mine.
GrrDraxin that makes a lot of sense. Anyways loved the chapter and I would never expect for inner-Moka to do Piggy-back with Tsukune.

[weview]

Quite a strange game to play

[tomasmnty@gmail.com]

when does cahpter 25 come out

[T-6000]

when does cahpter 25 come out

Beginning of next month, most likely. New chapters are usually released at the beginning of the month.

[TigersDemon]

when there on time anyway...

[GrrDraxin]

Very true. This month's came a little early though.

[TigersDemon]

and last months was a little late wasn't it? (not counting the time to finish it)

[DucksMcteeth]

Ugh, I'm so frustrated with this series, it's unbelievable. All they do is keep adding more and more characters to the harem. If it's not broke, don't fix it, right?

Quite the contrary, too much of one thing can cause bad results. I can list the basic events of the average R+V chapter on one hand.

- Girls fight over uninspired arguments involving Tsukune.
- Fan service.
- Moka and Tsukune almost have "moments" just to be constantly ruined, negating all possible plot progression.
- 2 page battle scene with inner-Moka doing her roundhouse kick.
- Hints toward actually having interesting developments in the future, but never fulfills them.

I find it disheartening that the manga that got me hooked to reading manga in general has become so typical in its later years. To see series such as the weekly Bakuman have constantly changing developments to keep the readers interested have more variety than the monthly R+V is quite sad.

That being said, maybe I'm expecting too much from this manga...

[Takeshi]

Ugh, I'm so frustrated with this series, it's unbelievable. All they do is keep adding more and more characters to the harem. If it's not broke, don't fix it, right?

Quite the contrary, too much of one thing can cause bad results. I can list the basic events of the average R+V chapter on one hand.

- Girls fight over uninspired arguments involving Tsukune.
- Fan service.
- Moka and Tsukune almost have "moments" just to be constantly ruined, negating all possible plot progression.
- 2 page battle scene with inner-Moka doing her roundhouse kick.
- Hints toward actually having interesting developments in the future, but never fulfills them.

I find it disheartening that the manga that got me hooked to reading manga in general has become so typical in its later years. To see series such as the weekly Bakuman have constantly changing developments to keep the readers interested have more variety than the monthly R+V is quite sad.

That being said, maybe I'm expecting too much from this manga...


Actually on some of those in the list I agree with or all of them except for one or something like that.
the inner Moka fights are a little same old copy paste kick, but i wanna see Tsukune start getting better with training, and this harem thing WTF!!! really? some of you like that no please its just distasteful in my opinion then again i haven't been reading manga long enough to understand that sorta stuff. The Moka and Tsukune almost have moments stuff HAS been irritating from the beginning of season 2..... come on author of R+V do something about that seriously XD. The hint stuff isn't too bad though, although it would be nice to see if the moka in bed with tsukune was actually a dream of future or just a perverted dream for tsukune lol. But the newest one was a little werid for me they do need to get the romance better in this manga....MORE INNNER MOKA AND TSUKUNE SCENES :mad:!!!!!!!

[GrrDraxin]

Yeah, probably. But that's why I read fanfic, just so I can keep my perspective fresh. There's a lot of differing angles there. Makes one wish someone could translate them into japanese just to give the author some fresh materials and possibly a new direction.

[Thousandsunnny]

Thank God!

[T-6000]

Ugh, I'm so frustrated with this series, it's unbelievable. All they do is keep adding more and more characters to the harem. If it's not broke, don't fix it, right?

Quite the contrary, too much of one thing can cause bad results. I can list the basic events of the average R+V chapter on one hand.

- Girls fight over uninspired arguments involving Tsukune.
- Fan service.
- Moka and Tsukune almost have "moments" just to be constantly ruined, negating all possible plot progression.
- 2 page battle scene with inner-Moka doing her roundhouse kick.
- Hints toward actually having interesting developments in the future, but never fulfills them.

I find it disheartening that the manga that got me hooked to reading manga in general has become so typical in its later years. To see series such as the weekly Bakuman have constantly changing developments to keep the readers interested have more variety than the monthly R+V is quite sad.

That being said, maybe I'm expecting too much from this manga...

I'm in the same boat as you, I am also getting a but frustrated with the Second Season so far. I think adding in more major characters these past 2 chapters was a bad idea. It pushes aside the development of other characters, and it'll make character management more tricky and possibly even unbalanced. Already I think that there are too many girls chasing Tsukune, and the arguments the girls have over Tsukune are already getting old and tiring. So are the interruptions between Moka and Tsukune when they have their 'moment' alone together. And it gets in the way of their progression as well. And speaking of progression, ever since Second Season almost anytime Inner Moka shows up she either kicks the crap out of Tsukune or berates him heavily. Since when did their relationship take 10 steps back? And what of back at the first season when she said that the relationship between outer moka and Tsukune had nothing to do with her?
The 30 second fights with Inner Moka are also getting old, it's also very predictable. The only time Inner Moka met her match was against her older sister, and she was almost killed. Most other battles, one kick and she defeats her opponents. Maybe she can even defeat Superman and the Hulk with just one or two kicks.

So far the series has now turned into a typical harem series. Now maybe I too am expecting too much for this series, but then again seeing and reading the typical cliches can get boring. Or maybe this series isn't for me, but I am surprised to see how it has changed from it's earlier times.

[weview]

A real shame. It is becoming very repetitive. They managed to break away from that during the first arc with the whole Tsukune/Ghoul storyline. Maybe there will be development further along in the arc but so far its all the same stuff :(

[Takeshi]

both weview and T-6000 need to give it time its already obvious that they will return to the ghoul arc again because tsukune only has one locked left on his holy bracelet well i think he does anyways he used the last 2 or 3 while saving Mizore, in the ice arc. But inner moka mentioned it i think while she was training tsukune.

[MidnightTide]

Yes, we need more progression of the romance/relationship aspect.

This is what hooked me to R+V in the first place. But perhaps the harem, repetitive fanservice is what the Japanese otaku want?

[Takeshi]

Yes, we need more progression of the romance/relationship aspect.

This is what hooked me to R+V in the first place. But perhaps the harem, repetitive fanservice is what the Japanese otaku want?

NOOOOO HAREM I refuse to belive that he wants a harem. and yeah we totally need romance in it :mad: we don't need no harem babies:preggers:

[T-6000]

both weview and T-6000 need to give it time its already obvious that they will return to the ghoul arc again because tsukune only has one locked left on his holy bracelet well i think he does anyways he used the last 2 or 3 while saving Mizore, in the ice arc. But inner moka mentioned it i think while she was training tsukune.

I'm a patient person so I'll definitely give it some time for something interesting to develop, or for Tsukune's and Moka's relationship to develop. As repetitive as it may get, I can't imagine walking away from this series completely as I'd like to see how it'll end. I just really, *really* hope it's ending isn't like To Love Ru's. But so far I'm a bit surprised that no assassin or thug from Fairy Tale has infiltrated the school to go after Tsukune or the group. It didn't take long for the Anti-thesis to send thugs and assassins after the newspaper club, after all.

[Takeshi]

Ok! you got a point there. maybe it would be a good time for tsukune to die or half die then his ghoul side to tyr adn take over....yeah it sounds like bleach but still. It would be a good time for him to either get real vampire powers from it and find a way to get rid of the ghoul stuff and then find the assassins who almost killed him.....I don't know about you but that would be a interesting arc right there plus we get a spot moment of inner moka crying over his body now what do you think of that :D? sounds like a nice one to me :D

but maybe a fairytale assassin is needed or another arc ...please no more whoo chan family shit please *sigh* or whatever you call those idiots.

[Thousandsunnny]

Haha Yeah that would be interesting.

[T-6000]

It's strange that Won Fan-Fan's profile isn't shown on the official season 2 site:

http://jumpsq.shueisha.co.jp/contents/rosario/index.html

Maybe it's just an oversight and they'll add him and his (un)dead sister in there, or they're just temporary secondary characters to be used a few times and that's it. I.....kinda hope it's the second since I find them both to be annoying, unappealing, and contribute nothing to the story.

[weview]

Yeah I don't really find them too interesting.

Sorry to bring this back to To Love Ru but its only for this post. In this chapter, they played a game that seemed to be a copy of one played in the To Love Ru anime. I also think Capu2 might have been influenced, as the first season didn't have much fanservice

[GrrDraxin]

Yes, we need more progression of the romance/relationship aspect.

This is what hooked me to R+V in the first place. But perhaps the harem, repetitive fanservice is what the Japanese otaku want?Yup, when pandering to a perverse public, seems harems are the kind of thing the Japanese male wants. So we westerners must accept what they give us.It's strange that Won Fan-Fan's profile isn't shown on the official season 2 site:

http://jumpsq.shueisha.co.jp/contents/rosario/index.html

Maybe it's just an oversight and they'll add him and his (un)dead sister in there, or they're just temporary secondary characters to be used a few times and that's it. I.....kinda hope it's the second since I find them both to be annoying, unappealing, and contribute nothing to the story.Maybe he's not important enough yet.Ok! you got a point there. maybe it would be a good time for tsukune to die or half die then his ghoul side to tyr adn take over....yeah it sounds like bleach but still. It would be a good time for him to either get real vampire powers from it and find a way to get rid of the ghoul stuff and then find the assassins who almost killed him.....I don't know about you but that would be a interesting arc right there plus we get a spot moment of inner moka crying over his body now what do you think of that :D? sounds like a nice one to me :D

but maybe a fairytale assassin is needed or another arc ...please no more whoo chan family shit please *sigh* or whatever you call those idiots.
We won't know until we get there.

[Takeshi]

Yup, when pandering to a perverse public, seems harems are the kind of thing the Japanese male wants. So we westerners must accept what they give us.Maybe he's not important enough yet.
We won't know until we get there.

NOOO I wont accept it you can't make me XD XD

[Tycho]

After expanding my horizons a little bit, I've actually realized that this formerly amazing manga--the one that go me into manga, mind you--has gone very far downhill since it's conception.

Just felt like saying that.

Anyway, (in order to make this post relevant :D) I feel I should point out that this looks like a formulation of a filler-volume, and thus I can't see the next three or four chapters being much better than the last two

[Takeshi]

After expanding my horizons a little bit, I've actually realized that this formerly amazing manga--the one that go me into manga, mind you--has gone very far downhill since it's conception.

Just felt like saying that.

Anyway, (in order to make this post relevant :D) I feel I should point out that this looks like a formulation of a filler-volume, and thus I can't see the next three or four chapters being much better than the last two

So wait did you even like season 2 at all yet? cause personally season 2 is my favorite?
all though on some level I agree on what you said about the next few chapters but we might get some romance in the next chapter!

[Tycho]

Well truthfully I think Season II started out fine, but since then there's been a massive amount of fanservice and the plot's getting progressively weaker. I just get the impression that the mangaka has run out of ideas and is stalling until he can throw in a random plot twist that ultimately throws Tsukune and Moka together while setting the rest of the harem at a "just-friends" status, then giving a "happily-ever-after" ending to wrap things up.

I dislike predictable manga.

[Takeshi]

Well truthfully I think Season II started out fine, but since then there's been a massive amount of fanservice and the plot's getting progressively weaker. I just get the impression that the mangaka has run out of ideas and is stalling until he can throw in a random plot twist that ultimately throws Tsukune and Moka together while setting the rest of the harem at a "just-friends" status, then giving a "happily-ever-after" ending to wrap things up.

I dislike predictable manga.

*shrug*
I just think he's taking a break from the main plot at the moment every manga has its slow moments and wait is mangaka the author or are they a company that publishes the manga so confused about that part.

[T-6000]

Well truthfully I think Season II started out fine, but since then there's been a massive amount of fanservice and the plot's getting progressively weaker. I just get the impression that the mangaka has run out of ideas and is stalling until he can throw in a random plot twist that ultimately throws Tsukune and Moka together while setting the rest of the harem at a "just-friends" status, then giving a "happily-ever-after" ending to wrap things up.

I dislike predictable manga.

I actually felt that way with Season 2 as well, but when I saw the first chapter it looked alot like a mashup of Ranma 1/2 and Love Hina. Ranma 1/2 was so-so for me, and I hated Love Hina but my main point is that the formula from the second season is what I'd expect from other manga and it's nothing I haven't read before. The setting is unique, with Tsukune being caught up in a world for Supernatural Monsters and it's inner workings, and yet it's degenerated into a typical and predictable ecchi high school manga/anime story. And I still think it was a terrible idea to put the Won Family into the story. They really don't contribute anything to the overall story.

[MidnightTide]

Well, guess we won't be seeing a season 3 of the anime.

Might as well throw a fork in Gonzo, they are done (they lost the rights to the second season of Strike Witches, their #1 anime series)

[Tycho]

*shrug*
...and wait is mangaka the author or are they a company that publishes the manga so confused about that part.

The mangaka is the writer and artist of the manga. If the two jobs are done separately, it's referred to as a mangaka duo (or something sounding remotely similar). In this particular case, the mangaka of Rosario + Vampire is a Mr. Akihisa Ideka. Note that names are backwards in Japan; his family name is Akihisa, and his 'first' name, as we would say it, is Ideka.

[Takeshi]

The mangaka is the writer and artist of the manga. If the two jobs are done separately, it's referred to as a mangaka duo (or something sounding remotely similar). In this particular case, the mangaka of Rosario + Vampire is a Mr. Akihisa Ideka. Note that names are backwards in Japan; his family name is Akihisa, and his 'first' name, as we would say it, is Ideka.

OH OK so that's what mangaka means now OK that's a first for me.

But if I'm correctly saying this why are people saying its mangaka's fault when the author wants it this way cause he's the writer of the manga?

*sigh* I guess I'm just a confused nub :(

[Tycho]

Naw, you're about right. People blame Akihisa-sama for ****ing up the story just because they seem to follow the notion that they are the center of the universe and that Akihisa-sama is writing his manga exclusively for them.

The fact that you don't understand their accusations just shows that you are ultimately smarter then them. Good job! :D

[GrrDraxin]

What a way of thinking about it... I guess that's acceptable. Certainly better than having a useless argument, and someone going sour about it.

[SOSAnimeBoy]

Well truthfully I think Season II started out fine, but since then there's been a massive amount of fanservice and the plot's getting progressively weaker. I just get the impression that the mangaka has run out of ideas and is stalling until he can throw in a random plot twist that ultimately throws Tsukune and Moka together while setting the rest of the harem at a "just-friends" status, then giving a "happily-ever-after" ending to wrap things up.

I dislike predictable manga.
Here's the thing that's really bad though. The manga is not released weekly! On a non-weekly manga, stalling on the storyline is really depressing. This is exactly why I've temporarily dropped R+V II manga. I can bear with stalling and filler arcs etc etc, but not on a non-weekly manga...

I mean, think about it this way: if this was a weekly manga, 12 chapters of filler roughly equals 3 months, but on a monthly manga, for example, this would be a YEAR of filler! Eventually the fanbase for this manga is going to grow up and [maybe] get married and [maybe] start a family and [maybe] not have the luxury of waiting years to see any development in the story.

[TigersDemon]

lets hope it never comes to that

[Tycho]

Yeah, well, I sort of can't stand monthly manga in general. Not that I'm impatient, but come on! One chapter per week! If this was my day job, I could probably do two! And it really stings when the manga in question is in the middle of a particularly epic arc. (I swear to GOD, if Sekirei doesn't update NOW I'm seriously going to rip someone's throat out through their ass). Anyway, yeah it just seems like the story could be told more efficiently. Anime releases weekly, why can't manga? (It especially sucks since Sekirei's chapters are like 12 pages long...)

[Tycho]

Also...

What a way of thinking about it... I guess that's acceptable. Certainly better than having a useless argument, and someone going sour about it.

Are you, by chance, referring to my little excursion into the fanfiction thread? That was mostly intentional :D

But seriously, what right do we have to criticize the works of an author? I mean, it's cool to say "Oh, this and that could be done better.", but to actually blame an author because we dislike their manga? That is seriously not cool.

[SOSAnimeBoy]

Yeah, well, I sort of can't stand monthly manga in general. Not that I'm impatient, but come on! One chapter per week! If this was my day job, I could probably do two! And it really stings when the manga in question is in the middle of a particularly epic arc. (I swear to GOD, if Sekirei doesn't update NOW I'm seriously going to rip someone's throat out through their ass). Anyway, yeah it just seems like the story could be told more efficiently. Anime releases weekly, why can't manga? (It especially sucks since Sekirei's chapters are like 12 pages long...)
You obviously have not read Bakuman, or have not been paying attention while reading it.

[Tycho]

Never heard of it. Maybe if I had I would have the slightest idea what you're implying...

[GrrDraxin]

Are you, by chance, referring to my little excursion into the fanfiction thread? That was mostly intentional :D

But seriously, what right do we have to criticize the works of an author? I mean, it's cool to say "Oh, this and that could be done better.", but to actually blame an author because we dislike their manga? That is seriously not cool.

Actually, I was refering to a certain someone on another forum that tends to get butt-hurt over seemingly trivial things. But it's also in reference to all the anime bashing too.

Though I'll be one of the first to admit that the anime wasn't great, nor did the manga any justice, but I will say again the greatest thing about the anime is that it's a series of 30 minute animated advertisements for the manga. For if the anime had never been made, I probably never would have even taken to the manga, or even liked it as much.

So you can see how I approach the situation, it's not often something gets a new media adaption, so it's almost always a breath of fresh air.

[SOSAnimeBoy]

Never heard of it. Maybe if I had I would have the slightest idea what you're implying...
http://www.onemanga.com/Bakuman/

Same Author/Artist combo as Death note manga. It's a manga about being a mangaka. Really interesting and informative. It's made me a LOT wiser about judging the performance of mangaka.

[Znail]

Bakuman does give some insight that is directly relevant to R+V. There is one more person involved in making a manga apart from the mangaka (and his assistantants) and that is the editor. He is basicly the representative of the publisher and has final say of what can be printed or not. For instance so was one mangaka told in it that she needed to put in atleast 3 panty shots in each chapter of her romance manga. This is relevant to R+V as it has the same publisher as Bakuman and they obviously got inside info about how things works, so we can expect the mangaka of R+V to be told something similar.

That said so am I not unhappy with how R+V has turned out. Mainly so do I find it ok with sidetracks and delay in reaching the end of the story as long as the chapters are decently entertaining. But its very unlikely that we will get a good ending as the reason for a manga to end is very rarely part of the long plan.

[edit]R+V seems to be heading away from the harem setup somewhat as we just had a new male character introduced and before that a reintroduction of an old male character. I guess they are there to add some other story elements then the constant struggle between the girls.

[Tycho]

Though I'll be one of the first to admit that the anime wasn't great, nor did the manga any justice, but I will say again the greatest thing about the anime is that it's a series of 30 minute animated advertisements for the manga. For if the anime had never been made, I probably never would have even taken to the manga, or even liked it as much.

So you can see how I approach the situation, it's not often something gets a new media adaption, so it's almost always a breath of fresh air.

This is an understandable situation, and I've heard you say this before, but seriously, if I had seen the R+V anime before reading the manga, I definitely wouldn't have even bothered. I actually don't understand you saying this...if I watch an anime and it sucks, why bother even trying with the manga?

And yes, I know there some amazing manga with awful anime adaptations (what was that manga this thread was about again...?), but a sucky anime isn't about to lead me to one...

[TigersDemon]

At this point im pretty sure we all know where i stand on the anime topic and quite frankly I agree with tycho, if I had seen the anime first I never would have read R+V at all.

on a side note I now have the complete first season:D

[T-6000]

Well, I was one of those people who first saw the anime, then the manga. The Anime started to loose it's appeal somewhat after a couple of episodes, but I decided to try out the manga. From firsthand experience, many animes can be quite different from their manga counterpart. Knowing this I read the first few volumes and i was hooked. At first it seemed like an average high school romance/comedy with monsters thrown in, but it got a bit more serious later and it explored more on the supernatural monster society a bit. Unfortunately I have read online a few people skipping out on the R+V series without giving the manga a try, simply because they hated the Anime alot.